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12-03-2009, 01:48 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Yorba Linda,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF w/392CI stroker
Posts: 3,293
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Originally Posted by patrickt
Dang, Gunner... if I had posted something that sounded like that the SPF owners would be throwing a rope over a tree branch and hunting me down by now. 
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Don't fool yourself...we still are.
Gunner's commentary was actually well-framed and makes sense. I too believe that those with minimal mechanical skills are more prone to purchase a ready-made car. Without having "built it yourself" expertise, there are several components on these vehicles that even the average shade-tree mechanic might have difficulty with. DIYers have an inherent advantage, accordingly.
That doesn't make their cars any more safer, as each build is only as good as the guy turning the wrenches. But I would be willing to bet that, on average, a guy that builds his own car has a considerably more thorough knowledge of what it takes to maintain it and is more likely to put the extra ongoing maintenance effort into it. And to add to that statement, the far majority of Cobra accidents (as reported on sites like CC) are the result of driver errors rather than mechanical deficiencies.
-Dean
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12-03-2009, 01:54 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
Posts: 22,025
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That makes sense, Dean. You're probably right.
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12-03-2009, 02:18 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Long Island,
NY
Cobra Make, Engine: SPF #1358 Silver/Black stripes 466 2X4
Posts: 780
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBarchetta
Don't fool yourself...we still are.
Gunner's commentary was actually well-framed and makes sense. I too believe that those with minimal mechanical skills are more prone to purchase a ready-made car. Without having "built it yourself" expertise, there are several components on these vehicles that even the average shade-tree mechanic might have difficulty with. DIYers have an inherent advantage, accordingly.
That doesn't make their cars any more safer, as each build is only as good as the guy turning the wrenches. But I would be willing to bet that, on average, a guy that builds his own car has a considerably more thorough knowledge of what it takes to maintain it and is more likely to put the extra ongoing maintenance effort into it. And to add to that statement, the far majority of Cobra accidents (as reported on sites like CC) are the result of driver errors rather than mechanical deficiencies.
-Dean
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I agree...with ready made cobra's...there are many more..."Guys with Cars" then there are actual "Car Guy's"...and when you finally string him up....let me know...I'll be there !!!
Last edited by Tony Aprile; 12-03-2009 at 04:30 PM..
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12-03-2009, 02:20 PM
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Half-Ass Member
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
Posts: 22,025
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Aprile
...and when you finally string him up....let me know...I'll be there !!!
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C'mon Tony, you could at least put a wink or smilie after that. 
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12-03-2009, 02:25 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Long Island,
NY
Cobra Make, Engine: SPF #1358 Silver/Black stripes 466 2X4
Posts: 780
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt
C'mon Tony, you could at least put a wink or smilie after that. 
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Believe me... I was smiling... 
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12-03-2009, 02:26 PM
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Half-Ass Member
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
Posts: 22,025
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Aprile
Believe me... I was smiling... 
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What's really funny is that deep down I actually love SPF cars. 
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12-03-2009, 02:39 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
Posts: 9,592
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Originally Posted by patrickt
What's really funny is that deep down I actually love SPF cars. 
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Talk about split personalities.
Do you guys think that there's any advantage to having the Kirkham engineered billet aluminum suspension over the various other makes? It makes sense in theory, but in practice, not being a DIY'er except for maintenance, I really don't have a clue. Maybe the more experienced wrenchers might pipe in.
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12-03-2009, 04:00 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Covington,
wa
Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance # 532, 466 BB, 560HP
Posts: 3,029
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Aprile
I agree...with ready made cobra's...there are many more..."Guys with Cars" then there are actual "Car Guy's"...and when you finally sting him up....let me know...I'll be there !!!
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Sorry, I'm not going to be able to make it,  so if someone could get pictures or a video I would appreciate it.  
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12-04-2009, 01:25 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Rancho Cucamonga,
ca
Cobra Make, Engine: SPF 239
Posts: 820
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Ok Ill bite.
Lets paraphrase for the sake of clarity:
"Don’t get mad, but SPF's, are more likely to fail, because their owners are less competent, and casual (read lazy?) than those that buy ERA's. Kirkham and Shelby owners are equally incompetent, but their obvious wealth makes them appear, at the very least, not as lazy."
Another pearl of wisdom from the "Better than thou" ranks of the ERA owners association.
"GoodAsReal"
Sigh.. What is it about owning an ERA that seems to breed the hyper inflated egos and rampant narcissism? It's as though they are completely blind to their own unbridled pompousness.
A rope? That shows a total lack of commitment and imagination.
Relentless, unforgiving, patient.
What I do, I will do well.
Jason
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12-04-2009, 02:45 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
Posts: 9,592
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D-CEL
Ok Ill bite.
Lets paraphrase for the sake of clarity:
"Don’t get mad, but SPF's, are more likely to fail, because their owners are less competent, and casual (read lazy?) than those that buy ERA's. Kirkham and Shelby owners are equally incompetent, but their obvious wealth makes them appear, at the very least, not as lazy." Jason
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OK, I'll admit it. I'm incompetent and lazy.
If I were wealthy, then I'd be buying a Ferrari California Spyder 250 GT at auction for $10MM and not caring that it lost 1/2 it's value in the past year and a half. 
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12-04-2009, 02:55 PM
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Half-Ass Member
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
Posts: 22,025
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
OK, I'll admit it. I'm incompetent and lazy.
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You couldn't be and own a Kirkham... well, I suppose if you inherited a fortune or hit the lottery then that may be the case.
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12-04-2009, 10:07 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Sacramento,
CA
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 707, 446ci FE
Posts: 1,115
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Quote:
Originally Posted by D-CEL
Lets paraphrase for the sake of clarity:
"Don’t get mad, but SPF's, are more likely to fail, because their owners are less competent..."
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If you're going to paraphrase, at least do it accurately. If you'd done so, you'd find nothing at which to take offense.
The key word you omitted is "some."
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12-05-2009, 02:53 AM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Lawrenceville,
GA
Cobra Make, Engine: Factory Five MK2, Ford Racing 345HP Crate motor, TFS Street Heat, Redline ECU, T5, 3 link
Posts: 85
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ERA? Never heard of them...
I would venture that most any vehicle would sustain substantial damage in the same scenario.
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