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Old 12-03-2009, 01:48 PM
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Dang, Gunner... if I had posted something that sounded like that the SPF owners would be throwing a rope over a tree branch and hunting me down by now.
Don't fool yourself...we still are.

Gunner's commentary was actually well-framed and makes sense. I too believe that those with minimal mechanical skills are more prone to purchase a ready-made car. Without having "built it yourself" expertise, there are several components on these vehicles that even the average shade-tree mechanic might have difficulty with. DIYers have an inherent advantage, accordingly.

That doesn't make their cars any more safer, as each build is only as good as the guy turning the wrenches. But I would be willing to bet that, on average, a guy that builds his own car has a considerably more thorough knowledge of what it takes to maintain it and is more likely to put the extra ongoing maintenance effort into it. And to add to that statement, the far majority of Cobra accidents (as reported on sites like CC) are the result of driver errors rather than mechanical deficiencies.

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Old 12-03-2009, 01:54 PM
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That makes sense, Dean. You're probably right.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:18 PM
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Don't fool yourself...we still are.

Gunner's commentary was actually well-framed and makes sense. I too believe that those with minimal mechanical skills are more prone to purchase a ready-made car. Without having "built it yourself" expertise, there are several components on these vehicles that even the average shade-tree mechanic might have difficulty with. DIYers have an inherent advantage, accordingly.

That doesn't make their cars any more safer, as each build is only as good as the guy turning the wrenches. But I would be willing to bet that, on average, a guy that builds his own car has a considerably more thorough knowledge of what it takes to maintain it and is more likely to put the extra ongoing maintenance effort into it. And to add to that statement, the far majority of Cobra accidents (as reported on sites like CC) are the result of driver errors rather than mechanical deficiencies.

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I agree...with ready made cobra's...there are many more..."Guys with Cars" then there are actual "Car Guy's"...and when you finally string him up....let me know...I'll be there !!!

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Old 12-03-2009, 02:20 PM
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...and when you finally string him up....let me know...I'll be there !!!
C'mon Tony, you could at least put a wink or smilie after that.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:25 PM
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C'mon Tony, you could at least put a wink or smilie after that.
Believe me... I was smiling...
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:26 PM
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Believe me... I was smiling...
What's really funny is that deep down I actually love SPF cars.
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Old 12-03-2009, 02:39 PM
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What's really funny is that deep down I actually love SPF cars.
Talk about split personalities.

Do you guys think that there's any advantage to having the Kirkham engineered billet aluminum suspension over the various other makes? It makes sense in theory, but in practice, not being a DIY'er except for maintenance, I really don't have a clue. Maybe the more experienced wrenchers might pipe in.
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I agree...with ready made cobra's...there are many more..."Guys with Cars" then there are actual "Car Guy's"...and when you finally sting him up....let me know...I'll be there !!!

Sorry, I'm not going to be able to make it, so if someone could get pictures or a video I would appreciate it.
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Ok Ill bite.

Lets paraphrase for the sake of clarity:

"Don’t get mad, but SPF's, are more likely to fail, because their owners are less competent, and casual (read lazy?) than those that buy ERA's. Kirkham and Shelby owners are equally incompetent, but their obvious wealth makes them appear, at the very least, not as lazy."

Another pearl of wisdom from the "Better than thou" ranks of the ERA owners association.

"GoodAsReal"

Sigh.. What is it about owning an ERA that seems to breed the hyper inflated egos and rampant narcissism? It's as though they are completely blind to their own unbridled pompousness.

A rope? That shows a total lack of commitment and imagination.

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Old 12-04-2009, 02:45 PM
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Ok Ill bite.

Lets paraphrase for the sake of clarity:

"Don’t get mad, but SPF's, are more likely to fail, because their owners are less competent, and casual (read lazy?) than those that buy ERA's. Kirkham and Shelby owners are equally incompetent, but their obvious wealth makes them appear, at the very least, not as lazy." Jason
OK, I'll admit it. I'm incompetent and lazy.

If I were wealthy, then I'd be buying a Ferrari California Spyder 250 GT at auction for $10MM and not caring that it lost 1/2 it's value in the past year and a half.
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OK, I'll admit it. I'm incompetent and lazy.
You couldn't be and own a Kirkham... well, I suppose if you inherited a fortune or hit the lottery then that may be the case.
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Lets paraphrase for the sake of clarity:

"Don’t get mad, but SPF's, are more likely to fail, because their owners are less competent..."
If you're going to paraphrase, at least do it accurately. If you'd done so, you'd find nothing at which to take offense.

The key word you omitted is "some."
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ERA? Never heard of them...

I would venture that most any vehicle would sustain substantial damage in the same scenario.
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