Club Cobra - Shelby vs. Kirkham

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patrickt

12-05-2009 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunner (Post 1007068)

For others (most of us) we'll live, hangdog, knowing Unca Shelby wouldn't take tea with us. :)

I wouldn't bet on that....

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Allan A

12-05-2009 04:16 PM

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fonti -- From a purely mechanical standpoint, the Kirkham is a better made car. The only advantage that an aluminum Shelby has over a KMS is the name "Shelby." If that's not worth the price differential (and it's not to a lot of people that can easily afford it), then your decision is an easy one

Pat,

Please explain how the KMP is better than a Shelby from a mechanical standpoint.

Allan

Gunner

12-05-2009 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1007069)

I wouldn't bet on that....

And for $250 I can send my glove box door off for an artygraph, too.

There's, uh, a word for that. But I'll be nice.

patrickt

12-05-2009 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Allan A (Post 1007070)

Please explain how the KMP is better than a Shelby from a mechanical standpoint.

Allan, that's my opinion of course and I certainly don't want to derail this thread. But there have been any number of posts complaining about the final quality on select CSX cars. There are also threads comparing the frame designs, and, the most recently, a thread that I remember that had to do with the front hub assembly. That was an absolute nightmare for one CSX owner. I honestly can't remember a single thread dealing with a Kirkham that was similar. But again, I don't want to derail the thread. And I will admit, there certainly are wonderfully built CSX cars out there....

patrickt

12-05-2009 04:32 PM

On the CSX front hub assembly thread. I may be wrong, but I think it was the Kirkhams that finally came to that guy's rescue. Shelby did not. I'm sure others will remember it, and if I'm wrong, they will point it out rather quickly.:cool:

Allan A

12-05-2009 04:39 PM

That's what I thought, you really do not no anything about the two cars but what you have read on posts.

patrickt

12-05-2009 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allan A (Post 1007077)

That's what I thought, you really do not no anything about the two cars but what you have read on posts.

No Allan, I just don't want to open that can of worms, it has been flogged to death. Here is a recent thread on my local club. http://www.capitalareacobraclub.com/...ic,8508.0.html Skip down to Scott's post. He is a CSX owner, and it's a beautiful car. His words speak volumes.

ERA Chas

12-05-2009 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Allan A (Post 1007077)

That's what I thought, you really do not no anything about the two cars but what you have read on posts.

Aww Allan,

Go easy on our very own Carnac-Knower-Of-All things. He's just "lobbing a few friendly grenades" to stimulate we dullards with his intellect and add sparkle and controversy to our hum-drum posts. He has told us so. Endlessly.
http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...0px-Carnac.jpg

Besides, he's only 90 posts away from the magic 10,000 and had to say something in here about two cars he doesn't own. May get there by tonight.

For reference, Jamo has 12,000+ posts but it took him four years longer to get there (and he's a Mod!) than our Entertainment Director...

patrickt

12-05-2009 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 1007086)

Now that's pretty funny Chas. I guess Allan doesn't want to address the Capital Area Cobra Club thread. I don't blame him, either.

maurice19

12-05-2009 06:10 PM

Gunner,
Regarding your post #16, the Kirkham cars were asked to join the Registry in order to keep track of them as Kirkhams and diminish the real possibility they might be sold as Shelbys.
IMO

Maurice

Gunner

12-05-2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by maurice19 (Post 1007092)

Gunner,
Regarding your post #16, the Kirkham cars were asked to join the Registry in order to keep track of them as Kirkhams and diminish the real possibility they might be sold as Shelbys.

Ah. That almost makes sense.

OTOH... Real[tm] Shelbys have this chassis number that's understood worldwide and logged in a special public place. Exactly how would I pass off my Kirkham as a Shelby, no matter what I did to it? It would either have a duplicate chassis number, easily researched, or a bogus one, ditto.

Makes no nevermind to me. The one thing I am unlikely to ever find in my garage is a CSX-anything... the originals keep receding from my financial reach (occasionally by a frustratingly small margin), and I have no interest in the continuations. So my interest is purely armchair.

RodKnock

12-05-2009 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allan A (Post 1007077)

That's what I thought, you really do not no anything about the two cars but what you have read on posts.

I don't know if it's better or worse, but the Kirkham does weigh about 200-300 lbs lighter than a comparable CSX, and I assume it's been all the years and iterations of that the Kirkhams have spent updating their billet aluminum suspension or another example would be the U-joints to CV joints. BTW, my car weighed in at 2,128 lbs.

patrickt

12-05-2009 08:04 PM

Rod, you have to admit, the sensitivity level on this forum has never been higher.:p You know, like an exposed nerve during a root canal....

RodKnock

12-05-2009 08:21 PM

Looking back in history, there have been several threads comparing the Shelby and the Kirkham. The OP should review them. The two that come quickly to mind are the 'rsimones' thread and the other was by 'alpace.'

http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/kirkham-motorsports/61878-shelby-vs-kirkham-aluminum.html

http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/all-cobra-talk/83430-csx-vs-kirkham.html

They're both wonderful cars. As I always say, that why they make different flavors of ice cream.

patrickt

12-05-2009 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1007125)

... the 'rsimones' thread

The proper reference for that is "the thread of which we do not speak."

RodKnock

12-05-2009 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1007127)

The proper reference for that is "the thread of which we do not speak."

Oh not THE thread. He asked a bunch of questions before he bought his car, and one of them is linked above now.

patrickt

12-05-2009 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1007128)

Oh not THE thread. He asked a bunch of questions before he bought his car, and one of them is linked above now.

Ooops. My mistake. Nevermind.:o

kobrabytes

12-05-2009 09:16 PM

Not trying to be the Kirkham poster child here, but...

After having bought a Kirkham I can only tell you that buying a Cobra from them was something I consider a privilege. Hands down, working with David, Thomas, and company was THE BEST consumer experience I have ever had. The Kirkhams have bent over backwards to make everything perfect, before, during, and after the sale.

No joking, they should interview potential customers to see if they are worthy of the car...

My Kirkham has exceeded my expectations by 1000%

len

Bill Bess

12-07-2009 06:28 AM

I checked out a CSX continuation car in Wickenburg, AZ this week end at a carshow. The car was very nice and gave me the feeling that "Gee this is a real one", and I was impressed by that fact, it's a real Shelby. That aside, I wasn't impressed by the car itself, it was very ordinary and not finished all that well.

There was a guy there with a really superb Superformance that showed nicer than the CSX, but thats just my opinion, and we all know the added value of the Shelby brand.

In addition, I've seen several Kirkhams, these are quality cars and really top end machines, and would be my personal choice.

gt500bill

12-07-2009 09:08 AM

+1.........

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill bess (Post 1007476)

in addition, i've seen several kirkhams, these are quality cars and really top end machines, and would be my personal choice.

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