| charlandk |
03-27-2010 07:58 AM |
Need your opinion please
Going with a Roush 427 sr/tw and T56 tranny, would you go with an open rear end or LSD and why?
Thanks,
Kevin
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| Snakebit |
03-27-2010 08:50 AM |
With that size motor and torque I would get LSD to get the power to the pavement.
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| Ron61 |
03-27-2010 09:38 AM |
With the light weight on the rear end of these cars I would go with the LSD on any car regardless of what motor you use. And especially if you plan to do any track time with it.
Ron :)
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| Silverback51 |
03-27-2010 09:57 AM |
I would go with the best available LSD system, short of a spool that will fit your rear end.
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| dcdoug |
03-27-2010 01:58 PM |
Madness to go with an open rear end, unless you want your driving experience to be burning up one tire at a time. :eek:
I prefer to burn up two tires at a time....:D
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| Gunner |
03-27-2010 03:20 PM |
Aye, with an open diff you'll burn one tire every time you start off with any level of fun. It will be a life of carefully easing up to speed or you'll break one tire loose and burn it until you lift throttle. A decent LSD is not an option on these cars.
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| patrickt |
03-27-2010 03:51 PM |
Don't stop with just a limited slip -- make sure it's paired with a fully independent rear suspension. A live axle in these cars is a ticket to the morgue.:cool:
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| charlandk |
03-27-2010 05:39 PM |
It will definately be paired with an independent rear suspension!
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| CoolCarl |
03-28-2010 12:21 AM |
OK, so I realize that IRS is better than a straight axle. My question is how much better? I'm in the process of researching kits, checking options, (and most important of all...saving money in the mean time). IRS seems like a pretty big expense.
Would it be justified for someone like me? I plan on just cruising around, 99.9% street use. I'm leaning towards a 9" rear end with LSD but I'm open for suggestions (not sure if my pocketbook is though).
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CoolCarl
(Post 1039427)
OK, so I realize that IRS is better than a straight axle. My question is how much better? I'm in the process of researching kits, checking options, (and most important of all...saving money in the mean time). IRS seems like a pretty big expense.
Would it be justified for someone like me? I plan on just cruising around, 99.9% street use. I'm leaning towards a 9" rear end with LSD but I'm open for suggestions (not sure if my pocketbook is though).
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Don't pay any attention to some of our member's sensationalistic opinions and "pot stirring". The live axle is just as suited to this car as the independent setup is. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. The IRS will do "a bit" better on an open track where the live axle kicks butt, 1/4 mile at a time. For the street it's probably a wash.
I wouldn't go with a LSD setup if you want the best track and street hook-up. Try Detroit's True-Trac. It has no clutches, just gears and has a better "posi" effect. It also has no noise like the Detroit "Locker" but hooks just as well. |
| patrickt |
03-28-2010 05:11 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by undy
(Post 1039444)
Don't pay any attention to some of our member's sensationalistic opinions and "pot stirring". The live axle is just as suited to this car as the independent setup is. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. The IRS will do "a bit" better on an open track where the live axle kicks butt, 1/4 mile at a time. For the street it's probably a wash.
I wouldn't go with a LSD setup if you want the best track and street hook-up. Try Detroit's True-Trac. It has no clutches, just gears and has a better "posi" effect. It also has no noise like the Detroit "Locker" but hooks just as well.
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No pot stirring here. He's not circle tracking, and he's not drag-stripping. Putting a solid axle rear in a car like ours that, sooner or later, see's heavy acceleration on uneven streets, will put you in to the trees. I believe it to be a huge safety issue. But hey, it's your life.... |
| blykins |
03-28-2010 05:11 AM |
Definitely go with a positraction rearend. You'll never get any power to the ground whatsoever with an open diff.
Unless you're racing, it would be hard to make a bad decision on what diff to use. The Ford Trac-Lock would work well along with the Auburn diff, or the Detroit True Trac as Dave pointed out.
As for rear suspensions, I prefer the solid axles. Less chance of wheel hop, axles are stronger than half shafts and CV joints, better selection of parts (especially when you compare an 8.8 or 9" Ford to a Jag or Dana 44 rearend).
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| blykins |
03-28-2010 05:15 AM |
Patrick....
It doesn't matter what rearend you have with a Cobra. If you have 400-500-600 hp like most of them do, if you don't show any respect or sense when driving, you'll end up in the trees anyway. Lots of power application on an uneven road will you get you wheel hop in an IRS car and if it's a positrac car, it's going to be spinning both tires anyway. I've driven enough modified 03-04 Cobra Mustangs to know that if there's a low spot in the road and it's spinning, the rear's going to go to the low spot. Having an IRS doesn't change any of that.
The rearend doesn't have any bearing on it whatsoever in my eyes.
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| patrickt |
03-28-2010 05:19 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by blykins
(Post 1039450)
Patrick....
It doesn't matter what rearend you have with a Cobra. If you have 400-500-600 hp like most of them do, if you don't show any respect or sense when driving, you'll end up in the trees anyway. Lots of power application on an uneven road will you get you wheel hop in an IRS car and if it's a positrac car, it's going to be spinning both tires anyway. I've driven enough modified 03-04 Cobra Mustangs to know that if there's a low spot in the road and it's spinning, the rear's going to go to the low spot. Having an IRS doesn't change any of that.
The rearend doesn't have any bearing on it whatsoever in my eyes.
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A newbie experiencing solid axle torque steer in a Cobra is a just a newspaper story waiting to happen. Advising somebody not to get an IRS in these cars is irresponsible. Period. |
Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt
(Post 1039448)
No pot stirring here. He's not circle tracking, and he's not drag-stripping. Putting a solid axle rear in a car like ours that, sooner or later, see's heavy acceleration on uneven streets, will put you in to the trees. I believe it to be a huge safety issue. But hey, it's your life....
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...uneducated opinion based solely on internet experience and hear-say.
Mine's probably seen much harder acceleration than yours (more HP and M/T drag radials) and I've NEVER had a problem with a live axle and never ever even come close to going "in to the trees". Actually, my IRS C6 Z06 is no more stable on bumpy roads than the Cobra. The situation you're describing could provided the same results, IRS or live axle. Posi is Posi. |
| blykins |
03-28-2010 05:22 AM |
So you're saying that adding an IRS suspension to a Cobra with any amounts of horsepower will take away all chances of wrecking due to irresponsibility and lack of experience? Please.
You can use whatever punctuation that you want at the end of your paragraph. It doesn't make a hill of beans difference. If someone gets in a 500hp car and puts the pedal through the firewall, it's going to spin and most likely go a little sideways, no matter what. Period. Question mark. Exclamation point. Asterisk.
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Brent, We're never going to convince these "internet experts". We're accomplishing an exercise in futility. so... the parroting continues.:rolleyes:
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| blykins |
03-28-2010 05:25 AM |
Yeah, I'm bowing out on this one myself. Apologies to the OP for the side track.
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| patrickt |
03-28-2010 05:25 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by blykins
(Post 1039455)
So you're saying that adding an IRS suspension to a Cobra with any amounts of horsepower will take away all chances of wrecking due to irresponsibility and lack of experience? Please.
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It's a serious safety related issue, IMO. If you were building a Cobra for your son, who has limited experience with a high horsepower/short wheel base type car on the street, would you want him to have an IRS? Of course you would. |
Quote:
Originally Posted by blykins
(Post 1039457)
Yeah, I'm bowing out on this one myself. Apologies to the OP for the side track.
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ditto.. (so far..) |
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