Jack Roush Crashes Plane in WI

[Jerry Clayton]

maybe she meant sub sonic under 10.000 feet
(you can choose whether thats a comma or decimal point)

Back in the days just after the 250k/10,000 rule a pilot just back from vacation got a check ride from LAX to SAN---he hadn't flown since the rule was in and didn't think about it--took off west on 25L, leveled off at 1000 ft, finished up cleaning up flats/after take off checklist, accerated to 460kts, turned down the coast line, cancelled IFR, went VFR to SAN at 1000ft/460kts---nice view of the coast---check pilot said first time he had seen his house like that even before the rule change--

[IndyCobra]

Originally Posted by Jerry Clayton

maybe she meant sub sonic under 10.000 feet
(you can choose whether thats a comma or decimal point)

Back in the days just after the 250k/10,000 rule a pilot just back from vacation got a check ride from LAX to SAN---he hadn't flown since the rule was in and didn't think about it--took off west on 25L, leveled off at 1000 ft, finished up cleaning up flats/after take off checklist, accerated to 460kts, turned down the coast line, cancelled IFR, went VFR to SAN at 1000ft/460kts---nice view of the coast---check pilot said first time he had seen his house like that even before the rule change--

Sure glad you didn't run over any of the typical small aircraft flying at that altitude. That's a very reckless thing to do in big iron. Glad you didn't make the front page of the LA Times.

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by Jerry Clayton

maybe she meant sub sonic under 10.000 feet
(you can choose whether thats a comma or decimal point)

Back in the days just after the 250k/10,000 rule a pilot just back from vacation got a check ride from LAX to SAN---he hadn't flown since the rule was in and didn't think about it--took off west on 25L, leveled off at 1000 ft, finished up cleaning up flats/after take off checklist, accerated to 460kts, turned down the coast line, cancelled IFR, went VFR to SAN at 1000ft/460kts---nice view of the coast---check pilot said first time he had seen his house like that even before the rule change--

Interesting story, but I never had a check pilot who would let me violate the FARs for an extended period of time. That would make him just as wrong as the pilot. ... It does remind me of the time I busted a check ride for exceeding 250 knots below 10,000 feet. I was a 2nd Lt. flying as number two in a formation. My leader flew at 200 knots and sent me out a half mile so I could demonstrate a rejoin for my check pilot. About the time I started the rejoin, the air traffic controller called and asked my leader to descend below 10,000' and push it up to 250 knots for traffic separation. I had little choice but to go faster than him to complete the rejoin. I considered our flight of two to be in compliance with the rules and I was just maintaining my position within the flight. My check pilot disagreed. I still think he was wrong.

[vector1]

Originally Posted by Tommy

Interesting story, but I never had a check pilot who would let me violate the FARs for an extended period of time. That would make him just as wrong as the pilot. ... It does remind me of the time I busted a check ride for exceeding 250 knots below 10,000 feet. I was a 2nd Lt. flying as number two in a formation. My leader flew at 200 knots and sent me out a half mile so I could demonstrate a rejoin for my check pilot. About the time I started the rejoin, the air traffic controller called and asked my leader to descend below 10,000' and push it up to 250 knots for traffic separation. I had little choice but to go faster than him to complete the rejoin. I considered our flight of two to be in compliance with the rules and I was just maintaining my position within the flight. My check pilot disagreed. I still think he was wrong.

i would call that "maneuvering" to rejoin the formation, check pilot did not use common sense imo. anytime military a/c are involved, we (air traffic controllers) usually make a big hole and watch things a little closer cause we know they are going to go fast, usually straight up to 10k feet! also, whatever is done inside the nonstandard formation flight is not known to the atc'er, we seperate 5 or 3 mi. plus whatever the nonstandard is 2, 3 or whatever miles if that is what you were flying.