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09-18-2010, 09:44 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Sun City West,,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF2984 MK111, Roush 511 IR FE 8 Stack, Dynoed: [flywheel] 572HP at 6000 , 556# Torque at 4700, Bowler 4R70W Auto Transmision. Tires: Mickey T's S/R 26.0x10.0x15.0 F ,26.0x12.0x15.0 R Color, Bleck, because they told me it was Bleck, at the factory.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob In Ct
Big HP + Short wheelbase = TTO
I learned all about this at Skip Barber Racing School.
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TTO? tin-man
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09-18-2010, 09:50 PM
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Location: Sun City West,,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF2984 MK111, Roush 511 IR FE 8 Stack, Dynoed: [flywheel] 572HP at 6000 , 556# Torque at 4700, Bowler 4R70W Auto Transmision. Tires: Mickey T's S/R 26.0x10.0x15.0 F ,26.0x12.0x15.0 R Color, Bleck, because they told me it was Bleck, at the factory.
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I got it
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Originally Posted by tin-man
TTO? tin-man
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Trailing Throttle Over steer, so can somebody point me in the direction where I can learn more about this subject.? tin-man
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Last edited by tin-man; 09-18-2010 at 11:59 PM..
Reason: Wrong description used pointed out by Excaliber, thanks. tin-man
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09-18-2010, 10:05 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: saratoga,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #185, Shelby Alloy 482; sold
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Same as high-siding' on a cycle.
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09-18-2010, 10:14 PM
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I think you mean trailing throttle over steer. Here's one link that might be helpful, I'm sure there are an endless number of links that deal with the subject.
http://www.turnfast.com/
It is absolutely something every Cobra owner should understand. It is a common error with new owners, and as this thread points out, can STILL bite even a very experienced driver.
I use it often, on purpose just to keep it shape. I DON'T recommend anyone try it, I'm just saying, there are times when it can be fun, when it can be useful, when "it hits the fan" and your in it already! One time I enduced it specifically because I lost my brakes on the race track. It was either "get it sideways" in an attempt to slow the car and make the corner,,, or crash. Other times, it just comes when you least expect it and it's good to have a clue what to do!
Fairly common street example for new Cobra owners:
Intersection, shifting into 2nd gear as you make the corner, moderate to spirited throttle, OFTEN results in an instant spin, bent wheels and damaged ego.
The most fundamental method "Drifters" use to "get-r-sideways". I used to Drift my Cobra in Hawaii, it was really BIG there at the time and before it became widely known on the mainland. For those who poo-poo the idea of Drifting, if you haven't done it, you might want to try it. It's an excellent skill to have in your tool bag of driving techniques. It saved my butt when I lost the brakes, I KNEW what I had to do!
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09-19-2010, 12:24 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Sun City West,,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF2984 MK111, Roush 511 IR FE 8 Stack, Dynoed: [flywheel] 572HP at 6000 , 556# Torque at 4700, Bowler 4R70W Auto Transmision. Tires: Mickey T's S/R 26.0x10.0x15.0 F ,26.0x12.0x15.0 R Color, Bleck, because they told me it was Bleck, at the factory.
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Excaliber, thanks for the link, very good information for a newbie. Cheers, tin-man
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09-19-2010, 07:23 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: SUPERFORMANCE w DOUG MEYER ENGINE
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"Heel-Toe" is one of the most important driving techniques, especially with cars like these.
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09-19-2010, 07:56 AM
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Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Portsmouth,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Unique 427 S/C, Dart 427W "Replica" Ford engine
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Dave;
I'd go ahead with the nitrous. If you had to downshift you obviously don't have enough power!! Seriously, I'm glad you're OK. I had a little accident myself yesterday but it involved a set of stairs, a pair of flip-flops, and a very rough sidewalk, on my way to Jenro's.
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09-19-2010, 08:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sllib
Dave;
I'd go ahead with the nitrous. If you had to downshift you obviously don't have enough power!! Seriously, I'm glad you're OK. I had a little accident myself yesterday but it involved a set of stairs, a pair of flip-flops, and a very rough sidewalk, on my way to Jenro's.
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Thanks Bill... I was on my way to Jenroes too, evidently a bad choice for the both of us.
Ouch!! At least I didn't end up with any bumps and bruises. Hope you're OK.
That nitrous setup was really going to be trick. The 8 nozzles would be on the bottom of the eight intake runners of the tunnel wedge, hidden from view. I'd have run all the plumbing out the back, disguising it too. About 800 rwhp would be about right
The roll back operator had to do a photo shoot of the car for his buddies before he dropped me/the car off at the house. He was about as thrilled as I was bumbed out...
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09-19-2010, 10:14 AM
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Fresno,
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 184/482ci Shelby
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Undy...we've all been there in some shape or form, so my comment was from one to another.
Again, it was just a damn wheel lip.
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09-19-2010, 11:19 AM
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Location: Eagle,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 1966 Lone Star 427SC.
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Thank God,....... you're ok buddy ! 
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09-19-2010, 11:46 AM
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analysis of an accident scene
I couldn't find the piece of the wheel anywhere. It probably made it into a shopping cart by now and is on the way to the scrap yard as I write this.
Here's the skid marks as I left the road and entered onto the sidewalk. You can see the hard angle that I shot into and across the inside lane. Man, what a lucky guy...
Here's the entry point where I went up onto the sidewalk, taking out some mulch and a bush on the way. BTW... I did straighten up the mulch and replant the uprooted bush before I left. Gotta think green  I came to rest inches away from an elevated manhole.
Here's the sidewalk's rear wheel impact point. Also a close-up of where the rear wheel hit. I was sliding driver's side forward. What's troubling is the large scrape behind the wheel impact. It looks like my frame scraped or something. I'm getting ready to head out to the garage and ger her into the air for an inspection. I'll post pics of findings, if any.

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09-19-2010, 11:57 AM
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Now that we all have proof of @uckin' up the road & side walk, I'm callin you in to the city,....... to bust you ass !
(give me a call bud)
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09-19-2010, 01:17 PM
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Now that we all have proof of @uckin' up the road & side walk, I'm callin you in to the city,....... to bust you ass !
(give me a call bud)
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Gee Kev, I thought we wuz friends... 
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09-19-2010, 12:15 PM
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You are SOOOOOO LLLLLUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKYYYYY. I did the same thing once but luckly did not hit anything. I drive alot slower now and to tell you the truth it is alot less stressfull!!!
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09-19-2010, 12:44 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Undy, I think you should call your insurance agent today and pick up a $5M Umbrella Policy to sit on top of the Cobra's auto policy. 
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09-20-2010, 12:08 PM
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Location: Kansas City,
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Cobra Make, Engine: jbl
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on-ramp to the sidewalk wasn't quite wide enough, bad design!
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09-20-2010, 12:16 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 427 S/C, Twin Paxton 511 FE
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Thanks for sharing. Some of us might not have the balls to display our mishaps like that.
Every time I see some Cobra carnage I reset my bravado-meter.
rodneym
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09-20-2010, 12:57 PM
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Location: Fresno,
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 184/482ci Shelby
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patina....
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10-28-2010, 09:23 AM
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...unexpected turn of events.
The "abused" and replanted bush ended up dying.   I saw the city's landscape workers out there yesterday doing some remedial horticulture.
The cars doing fine, no damage other than the wheel, sidepipes and some misguided ego.
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