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10-29-2010, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Got the Bug
Just my humble opinion, but I wouldn't give any weight to statements or advice that the DMV provides. Most offices aren't well versed in SB100, a program that is almost 10 years old. Again, there is absolutely no reason not take any car through the SB100 process.
Play at your own risk, but understand that the DMV won't be standing there to support you when you need them.
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JMHO, but if you read all his posts, you would have seen him mention that the CA legislature is/was trying to close that loophole. So as Doug says, tread carefully. In terms of vehicle titles, there are no grandfathering provisions. If they decide some where along the line to change the rules, then the "full faith and credit" provision that allowed you register your SPCNS in 2010, may not be any help to you in the future.
However, I'm no expert. 
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10-29-2010, 09:05 PM
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WRONG Rodknock!
If you walked through SB-100, then you ARE an expert.  We all managed in spite of the experts at the DMV.
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10-29-2010, 09:46 PM
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As I've said numerous times in the middle of Morgester's threads, if the car is legally titled in another state as a 196x, then CA has to honor that designation. CA can't change that "loophole"; it is what the U.S. and CA Constitutions require. Today, there are many states that have adopted the SEMA model legislation and will allow you to legally title a kit car according to the model of the year the kit car replicates. If the car is coming from one of the states that have adopted SEMA legislation or otherwise allow you to legally title a kit car as a 196x, then you should have no problems; your title is legal, no fraud is involved and full faith and credit requires that CA honor it. 'Nuf said. But, as always, caveat emptor. As a buyer, you need to ask the questions and know how the car was titled/registered in the state it is coming from.
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10-29-2010, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Chaplin
As I've said numerous times in the middle of Morgester's threads, if the car is legally titled in another state as a 196x, then CA has to honor that designation. CA can't change that "loophole"; it is what the U.S. and CA Constitutions require. Today, there are many states that have adopted the SEMA model legislation and will allow you to legally title a kit car according to the model of the year the kit car replicates. If the car is coming from one of the states that have adopted SEMA legislation or otherwise allow you to legally title a kit car as a 196x, then you should have no problems; your title is legal, no fraud is involved and full faith and credit requires that CA honor it. 'Nuf said. But, as always, caveat emptor. As a buyer, you need to ask the questions and know how the car was titled/registered in the state it is coming from.
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I'm not a constitutional lawyer, but states can regulate emissions from vehicles. CA makes them tougher all the time by tightening green house emissions. They also change the gas formulation a lot too.
CARB and how it regulates emissions may close the loophole for you, no matter what the title says for model year.
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10-29-2010, 09:55 PM
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I'm quite content with my situation and I have a clear conscience as I fully disclosed the status of the vehicle and it's history to the DMV experts in Sacramento. I've provided the DMV with evidence of the purchase price and paid all fees and taxes; not an insignificant amount to be certain.
With regard to the insurance inquiry and what the payout would be if the vehicle were to be totaled; well, if the damage from an accident is sufficient to total the vehicle, I most likely won't be around to collect or haggle over a settlement.
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10-29-2010, 10:08 PM
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I'm quite content with my situation and I have a clear conscience as I fully disclosed the status of the vehicle and it's history to the DMV experts in Sacramento. I've provided the DMV with evidence of the purchase price and paid all fees and taxes; not an insignificant amount to be certain.
With regard to the insurance inquiry and what the payout would be if the vehicle were to be totaled; well, if the damage from an accident is sufficient to total the vehicle, I most likely won't be around to collect or haggle over a settlement.
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There is no compelling reason you should avoid registering a car under SB100. I don't get it. Is this a principle thing?
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Last edited by Got the Bug; 10-30-2010 at 10:33 AM..
Reason: crappy spelling and wording.
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10-30-2010, 07:42 AM
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There still isn't a compelling reason not to go through SB100. I don't get it. Is this a principal thing?
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No, it isn't a matter of principle and even though the process appears to be relatively painless, I don't think it is necessary in my case or in any other with identical circumstances. However, I will contact the DMV Technical Services division once again and seek their expert advice. Apparently many people think that all DMV employees are ignorant or stupid; my experience with the top tier level in the department indicates otherwise.
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I hear ya but I think that 'full faith and credit' will go out the window if you know it's not a '66.
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I don’t think this statement has any merit whatsoever. I didn’t attempt to perpetrate a fraud or misrepresent the vehicle as something it isn’t. I made full disclosure when performing my due diligence. The vehicle has been designated a 1966 by two States; three if you include California.
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10-30-2010, 08:21 AM
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.I don’t think this statement has any merit whatsoever. I didn’t attempt to perpetrate a fraud or misrepresent the vehicle as something it isn’t. I made full disclosure when performing my due diligence. The vehicle has been designated a 1966 by two States; three if you include California.
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So, then, what's the problem? Take the title to DMV, register it as a 1966 whatever and pay the registration and use tax fees and you're done.
The insurance thing is another story. If you total it, the insurance company will pay you what it was worth at the time of the accident, Not what an original 1966 was worth, but what your replica was worth. If you represent it as an original 1966 for insurance reasons, you might want to look up the word fraud in the dictionary.
And, I don't know what happens in your town, but in mine, the local police walk car shows checking license plates and registrations looking for improper registrations, and they can tell the difference between an original and a replica. You might find yourself answering a few questions from time to time.
Probably not a problem, but possibly.
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10-30-2010, 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jhv48
So, then, what's the problem? Take the title to DMV, register it as a 1966 whatever and pay the registration and use tax fees and you're done.
The insurance thing is another story. If you total it, the insurance company will pay you what it was worth at the time of the accident, Not what an original 1966 was worth, but what your replica was worth. If you represent it as an original 1966 for insurance reasons, you might want to look up the word fraud in the dictionary.
And, I don't know what happens in your town, but in mine, the local police walk car shows checking license plates and registrations looking for improper registrations, and they can tell the difference between an original and a replica. You might find yourself answering a few questions from time to time.
Probably not a problem, but possibly.
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The vehicle is already titled and registered and all appropriate fees and taxes have been paid. Perhaps you didn't read the entire thread.
As for the insurance; I made full disclosure to AAA and they chose to insure it as a 1966. There has been no misrepresentation.
I want to extend my apologies to the OP; this thread got a little off course.
Last edited by bingo2; 10-30-2010 at 08:41 AM..
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10-30-2010, 02:26 PM
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Some people like to roll the hard way and make life more interesting that it needs to be. I don't get it, but roll on man. 
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11-05-2010, 10:21 AM
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A reliable source who started the SB100 process last week told me that there are still (20) SB100 certificates available for 2010.
Clearly a sign of the weak economy, but a huge opportunity for those who might be in registration limbo or are going to take delivery of a new car soon.
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Last edited by Got the Bug; 11-05-2010 at 10:25 AM..
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11-05-2010, 12:39 PM
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I just learned that CARB can audit mechanics for checking that all cars that come to them for service must have their tires checked/inflated to the specifications on the door jam. The mechanic must keep the records for 3 years.
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