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02-03-2011, 03:02 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ottawa,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 2002 Superformance w/392 stroker
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Video: 427 Cobra vs Shelby Super Snake
Hot Rod Magazine took the two best Shelby vehicles of all time, the 427 Cobra and the new 2011 GT500 Super Snake, to Las Vegas Motor Speedway to find out which is the baddest ever.
Rob Kinnan from Hot Rod and Gary Patterson from Shelby North America race each car on the road course and the drag strip to see which is fastest in the different disciplines. Carroll Shelby tells why he created the Super Snake and shares what his favorite is!
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liLpiev54lA[/ame]
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02-03-2011, 03:18 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Alum bodied CSX4266, fuel injected alloy 472, 663 hp Engine built by Dralle. Suspension by Tom Barnard
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Very nice video! But I'll stick with my 427 SC Cobra!!!
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02-03-2011, 03:21 PM
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I agree,very nice video but i would still take my cobra over the cobra snake.
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02-13-2011, 05:25 AM
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No doubt a neat hot rod but Nothing does more for the visuals than the 427 Cobra,and 100% certain a heck of a lot less money.Besides my big block Cobra is paid for and been sitting in our shop since 1993.
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02-03-2011, 03:21 PM
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Great post. How many would have predicted that the ol' Cobra would've been faster on the road course? I wish they would have given more detail on the specifics affecting the performance numbers like traction, handling and brakes.
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02-03-2011, 03:26 PM
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Great video....thanks for posting! The super snake would make a good daily driver, like my F150 Lightning, but hands down, the cobra is the baddest by FAR and I would choose it any day of the week. The fact that that 45 year old technology can spank the new mustang on a road course is the proof in the pudding!
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02-03-2011, 03:30 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF1715, Roush Built 434 ci Stroker, Dart Block, Ported AFR 205 Heads... 561 hp / 547 tq, Former Roush Show Car, Completed and Prepped By Olthoff Racing.
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What a joke!!! The 2011 Super Snake is "The best Shelby ever"? The 427 Shelby Cobra is an iconic sports car. The new Super Snake is a very nice, very fast car but it does not even come close in status to the 427 Cobra IMO.
BTW: The launch on the dragstrip of the Cobra was pathetic. With a better launch / driver that car will do alot better than 12.90.  |
02-03-2011, 04:42 PM
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Too bad they put slicks on the Mustang. I wonder how bad it would have been beaten if they had left the original tires on it?
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02-03-2011, 04:56 PM
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Sounds like the results were rigged a bit. Otherwise, how is 'ol Shel going to sell more of his new stuff? And especially in this economy? And I agree that a 12.90 is a pathetic attempt in the 1320 for that car. A second gear start would have produced a better timeslip.
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02-03-2011, 05:09 PM
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Can't replace the Mustang tires with slicks and leave the Cobra with vintage bias tires. Let 'em run the same rear tires and see what happens. This is just a Mustang/Shelby promotion.
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02-03-2011, 05:16 PM
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Not to mention the HP of the Super Snake....lets re-run them with slicks on the vintage cobra and a few more comparable ponies and see the outcome>
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02-03-2011, 05:21 PM
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That's the laziest 427 I've ever heard.....550hp my butt....
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02-03-2011, 11:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ZOERA-SC7XX
Can't replace the Mustang tires with slicks and leave the Cobra with vintage bias tires. Let 'em run the same rear tires and see what happens. This is just a Mustang/Shelby promotion.
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Yeah, freeze frame the video at 47 seconds. The mustang had slicks at the drag strip. Not drag radials, . . SLICKS!!! Gimme a break !!!!! 
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02-04-2011, 04:05 AM
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Of course this was rigged, how would anybody expect a car on street tires to be able to hang with a car on Gumbies.We all know better,and would much sooner be seen in my plastic car.
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02-03-2011, 05:24 PM
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Take a close look at the video, it appears the oil pressure is dropping on the Cobra as it winds up and then recovers on shift. Engine may be a little loose, next time they need a tight engine and it will smoke the super station wagon. Right around 1 min 34 seconds
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02-03-2011, 05:30 PM
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Both are nice rides...
But I'll take a Kirkham thanks...
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02-03-2011, 06:19 PM
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From a marketing perspective that couldn't let the little old car win LOL
But we know better, even with that tired motor  ) |
02-03-2011, 07:13 PM
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Yes, definately a promotional video for the Mustang Super Snake. Even though the Cobra beat it on the road course the commentary was that the "Mustang was just as fast" but "refined and easy to drive".
And I agree with the comments above. That was a terrible launch off the line in the Cobra, and what's with putting slicks on the back of the Mustang but not the Cobra?
A 12.9 1/4mile in a 550hp Cobra? Ha! My wife's 4000lb BMW will do that!
I was running better than a full second faster in my SPF with roughly the same amount of power. Did Patterson dog it on purpose for the sake of promoting the Mustang?
-That would be sad.
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02-03-2011, 07:35 PM
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Join Date: Nov 1999
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 623, 427 S/C Cobra. Ford FE 428 Cobra Jet, Ford Nascar TL 4speed - with a touch of raw; "less is more" theme
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12.90 out of the FE powered Cobra? That was pretty weak. Cold tires, sluggish launch, sluggish shifting, and it seemed like the reported "sideoiler" motor was straining just to rev up; what was up with that... Could anyone tell if that guy was talking on his cell phone half way down the track? I don't even have 550hp and years ago ran a half second faster on my first practice try ever on street tires; and many others here in the 11s. Sounds like some blueprinting and tuning is in order followed by a reshoot of the entire video with ONE capable driver testing both cars back to back.
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02-05-2011, 05:33 PM
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The question is an absolute no brainer
The super snake mustang is just another mustang to go along with the mustang cobra , mustang saleen , mustang roush , mustang KR , for gods sake they all look exactly the same , unlike the cobra which is a muscle car icon and always will be , why would I ever prefer a car that no one even looks at , and on top of that i think CS charges $70K to put a few items on the mustang super snake that i am sure you could have put on elsewhere for less $$$$
Just my $.02 cents
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