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Nedsel 05-07-2011 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LMH (Post 1127513)
Hey Ned
CSX2367 didn't happen to have two four barrels did it?
Larry
Not that I recall, no. It was a 1-owner car until earlier this year, so it could not have been your boss' car.

Nedsel 05-07-2011 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by computerworks (Post 1127517)
Especially the guy who actually collects all that data.
Thank you Mr.Computerworks - kudos to you and the job you do as well!

Blas 01-27-2014 07:21 AM
Old Thread Reopened
 
This is an old thread reopened but sort-of on topic.
Does anyone have the correct paint color information used for the Team Stripes used on the FIA cars?
I would think it woiuld be the AC paint colors on hand used that was used to repair the shipping damaged chassis and perhaps the "Moon" yellow since it was probably handy to the shelby shop? Any guidance would be appericated.
Thanks,

G-Pete 01-27-2014 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartruff1 (Post 1127327)
.....The original FIA Shelby Team Cars in 1964 were Princess Alice Blue....
Yes, but there were other teams like Hitchcock/Tchkotous (CSX 2155) which raced also in April of 1964 at Targa Florio.

The CSX 2155 289FIA was Wimbledon white. The car had the number 152.
Since 1999 stripped and on display at the Shelby Museum.


http://shelbyamericancollection.org/...sx2155cmed.jpg

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimag...X2155TARGA.jpg

LightNFast 01-27-2014 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Blas (Post 1282493)
This is an old thread reopened but sort-of on topic.
Does anyone have the correct paint color information used for the Team Stripes used on the FIA cars?
I would think it woiuld be the AC paint colors on hand used that was used to repair the shipping damaged chassis and perhaps the "Moon" yellow since it was probably handy to the shelby shop? Any guidance would be appericated.
Thanks,
There were a total of (5) FIA Cars - All "Viking Blue". The following lists the team stripe color and chassis... although not all cars always wore a team stripe.

White - CSX 2259
Maroon - CSX 2301
Red - CSX 2323
Yellow - CSX 226O
White - CSX 2345

I can't answer your specific question about the correct color (Yellow) but thought you may find the attached photo a useful reference…. looks like that yellow really popped!

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...226O_Small.jpg

Blas 01-27-2014 12:52 PM
Thanks for your reply. Looking for what is known of the actual paint colors. As I mentioned, I would guess that they would use the AC repair paint on-hand. And the yellow looks so much like "moon" yellow. Difficult to tell from period photos with fading, computer monitor display variations and enhancement capabilities

Silversmith 01-27-2014 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Nedsel (Post 1127320)
The first 100 + Cobras only came in red, black, or white. CSX 2104 was the first car to break the trend, and it was Guardsman Blue.
Very strange! %/ As I know csx 2058 (#58 built)(260cid) was Brit Green. It was one of only two 260 AC's with the louvered hood option. If it was repainted. Some one took the original paint all the way down to the bondo coat before painting it Brit Green. During the time I was around 2058 in the later 60's, early 70's, there were paint chips going all the way down to the bondo coat. There was no other original color showing other than a primer base. Red if I remember. I do remember 2058 had a factory installed one gallon peach can cut to form an air duct under the hood to the cockpit. :cool:

A-Snake 01-27-2014 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Silversmith (Post 1282588)
Very strange! %/ As I know csx 2058 (#58 built)(260cid) was Brit Green. It was one of only two 260 AC's with the louvered hood option. If it was repainted. Some one took the original paint all the way down to the bondo coat before painting it Brit Green. During the time I was around 2058 in the later 60's, early 70's, there were paint chips going all the way down to the bondo coat. There was no other original color showing other than a primer base. Red if I remember. I do remember 2058 had a factory installed one gallon peach can cut to form an air duct under the hood to the cockpit. :cool:
The Registry shows that 2058 was repainted 1966 Corvette Moss Green and an upholstery change to black vinyl. The car resided in NJ at the time.

gmonsen 03-24-2015 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by jeffy (Post 1127292)
You are indeed incorrect. No street cars came with stripes. The comp cars were mostly shipped unpainted, although I think some of the early ones were shipped painted black or red.

These are I.C.I. paint codes. The Rosso Chiaro formula is in the PPG Nexa system, which is how I got it for my car. They formulated it as a two-stage. I remember asking about some other codes but they couldn't find them in the system; not sure which ones, although one was probably Ruby Red.

AC1 Guardsman Blue 4424m Single stage urethane, c262b Base/Clear
AC2 Dark Blue fg47 single stage
AC3 Mist Silver 6182m single stage
AC4 Ruby Red 6192m single stage
AC5 Canary Yellow fg38
AC6 Lt. Green 5302m single stage, 5vf9b Base/Clear
AC8 Rosso Chiaro fg39 single stage
AC9 Pure White fg46 single stage
AC11 Mushroom 6189m single stage
AC12 Vineyard Green ej29 single stage
AC13 Live Oak 6188m single stage
AC14 Sand 6190m single stage
AC15 Princess Blue 6191m single stage
I'm trying to identify the right color for my ERA 289 slabside. The color seems to be the Ruby Red mentioned above or the AC light maroon metallic. Back in high school there was a new one in maroon with black interior in the local Ford dealer and I have dreamed about it ever since. However, I haven't found any reference in any book so far to it ever being offered in this maroon color. Also, the AC color chart shows a maroon metallic and I can't remember if the car still in my dreams was metallic or not. It was 50 years ago. Any help or comments or direction would be great.

Gordon

Nedsel 03-24-2015 10:57 PM
Anyone using the above chart to compute what might be correct for a 60's Cobra should know that back then AC Cars did not use Guardsman Blue. The standard blue metallic used on Cobras was their "Bright Blue," and this was different than Ford's Guardsman Blue. Close, but not a match.

Silversmith 03-25-2015 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gmonsen (Post 1343397)
I'm trying to identify the right color for my ERA 289 slabside. The color seems to be the Ruby Red mentioned above or the AC light maroon metallic. Back in high school there was a new one in maroon with black interior in the local Ford dealer and I have dreamed about it ever since. However, I haven't found any reference in any book so far to it ever being offered in this maroon color. Also, the AC color chart shows a maroon metallic and I can't remember if the car still in my dreams was metallic or not. It was 50 years ago. Any help or comments or direction would be great.

Gordon
One of the AC Cobras my buddy had was a slab side 289, CSX 2374 if I remember. It was metallic maroon in color. That was a little rocketship stoplight to stoplight! :cool: With a 411 in the rear end, she was a absolute terror and a blast! :eek: While a slabside like CSX 2058. Sitting next to each other, CSX 2374's fenders extended out further than 2058's allowing for a little more rubber, even though both were slabsides. But I also remember CSX 2374's color. It wasn't the strongest or deep metallic maroon color; actually it was on the slightly lighter side. But I do remember that color well.

LMH 03-25-2015 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Silversmith (Post 1343542)
One of the AC Cobras my buddy had was a slab side 289, CSX 2374 if I remember. It was metallic maroon in color. That was a little rocketship stoplight to stoplight! :cool: With a 411 in the rear end, she was a absolute terror and a blast! :eek: While a slabside like CSX 2058. Sitting next to each other, CSX 2374's fenders extended out further than 2058's allowing for a little more rubber, even though both were slabsides. But I also remember CSX 2374's color. It wasn't the strongest or deep metallic maroon color; actually it was on the slightly lighter side. But I do remember that color well.
Approximately .5" wider flare to the later cars with the switch from 5.5" Dunlop wheels to 6" Dunlop wheels.

gmonsen 03-25-2015 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Silversmith (Post 1343542)
One of the AC Cobras my buddy had was a slab side 289, CSX 2374 if I remember. It was metallic maroon in color. That was a little rocketship stoplight to stoplight! :cool: With a 411 in the rear end, she was a absolute terror and a blast! :eek: While a slabside like CSX 2058. Sitting next to each other, CSX 2374's fenders extended out further than 2058's allowing for a little more rubber, even though both were slabsides. But I also remember CSX 2374's color. It wasn't the strongest or deep metallic maroon color; actually it was on the slightly lighter side. But I do remember that color well.
Well, I found in a book I bought in 1965, The Cobra Story by Shelby himself talking to John Bentley published by Trident, that in 1964 it was offered in "red, maroon,white, black, bright blue, princess blue, and silver". That Metallic Merlot looks about as close as I've seen to what I remember.

What I don't remember is whether the maroon Cobra I saw in the showroom was metallic or not. It was really nice looking, but, as a 17 year old, I didn't focus and don;t remember whether it was metallic or not. In my dreams, it isn't metallic. I'm wondering whether its not Jaguar Imperial Maroon (JAG302). That color was British, was available at the time, and AC cars would have had access to it at the time. There were not many paint variations offered in 1965.

Gordon

A-Snake 03-26-2015 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Silversmith (Post 1343542)
One of the AC Cobras my buddy had was a slab side 289, CSX 2374 if I remember. It was metallic maroon in color. That was a little rocketship stoplight to stoplight! :cool: With a 411 in the rear end, she was a absolute terror and a blast! :eek: While a slabside like CSX 2058. Sitting next to each other, CSX 2374's fenders extended out further than 2058's allowing for a little more rubber, even though both were slabsides. But I also remember CSX 2374's color. It wasn't the strongest or deep metallic maroon color; actually it was on the slightly lighter side. But I do remember that color well.
The name of the color on CSX2374 is Rouge Iris.

Blas 03-26-2015 11:11 AM
Is this of any help?

[IMG]http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...olor_Wheel.JPG[/IMG]

gmonsen 03-26-2015 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by A-Snake (Post 1343613)
The name of the color on CSX2374 is Rouge Iris.
Yep. Except I haven't found the paint formulation for "Rouge Iris". Do you know if it was a metallic or not? I just can't find what that color is through any code cross referencing. I don't think they had a color mixed up special for the cars and suspect it must be some maroon that was around at the time, like Ford's Royal Maroon or Jaguar's Imperial Maroon or possibly even Regency Red.

Blas... Thanks. I've seen that and the codes on the back. It says "Maroon", which is the only name I found in early books or on the Shelby Register. I've tried searching down "Rouge Iris" (or "Maroon" expressed as Red-Blue, right). I mean, there are several maroons I'd probably be happy with, but I did fall in love with the original color and can take the time to figure it out.

Here's a link to a 1964 289 MKII in "Maroon" and that's basically the car I saw in the showroom as a teenager. Maroon with a black interior. It didn't have the hood scoop, but, hey.

http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/ca...?id=lmzr55k5rd

Gordon

Nedsel 03-26-2015 11:02 PM
2374 was repainted black, then blue, and, after a rebody, red. So its original Rouge Iris ain't telling if it was metallic or not.

Silversmith 03-27-2015 04:41 AM
CSX2374 was a simi metallic color. I remember that well because Stevie and I talked about the metallic finish several times saying it was the only AC we knew of that had a metallic finish. It was like a fine goldish metallic hue within the paint. Sorry to hear it is not the same color as original, but every owner has their own preference. CSX3116, the bad boy of the group was originally a white street version and now looks like a SC with blue with white stripes. In some ways AC's are somewhat like Mustangs in that they are often modified by their owners. A distinction the Mustang holds now for being the most highly owner/modified mass productions car.

gmonsen 03-27-2015 07:17 AM
Okay, according to paintref.com, Royal Maroon was the only maroon Ford made in the 64-65 period. It was originally a Lincoln color. So, if Ford controlled the type of paint used, its Royal Maroon. If Shelby or AC controlled the choice of paint, it could have been Royal Maroon or it could have been Jaguar's Imperial Maroon. When I find out who controlled the choice, that will pick the paint. One or the other. Or, not, if something or somebody comes up with the right color and its not one of those.

Sorry for all this discussion about what maroon paint to use, but once I realized that my car had to be painted the same color as the one I saw and dreamt about for so many years, I became fixated on having the "right" color.

Blas 03-27-2015 08:33 AM
Found this:
http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/orig...ouge-iris.html
and this
http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/orig...oon-color.html


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