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I've owned two PSBs...no problem...built one myself, rebuilt the other...always a hands on guy.
PSBs??? we used to joke about this here on CC...rib each other all the time...most guys had fun...some...not so much. Too serious.
But I think we all know that this car has provenance...who cares how many times its been rebuilt...many of these original cars were hacked up from the get go. I still like to shake that hands of the guys that still drive them...or race them.
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But I think we all know that this car has provenance...who cares how many times its been rebuilt...many of these original cars were hacked up from the get go. I still like to shake that hands of the guys that still drive them...or race them.
Jeff, I think John expresses my thoughts the best.
2009's history is recorded, in detail, in the SAAC archives. So, whoever owns 2009 next may decide to restore it again, according to his or her tastes, which may in fact mirror your personal taste.
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Jeff, I think John expresses my thoughts the best.
2009's history is recorded, in detail, in the SAAC archives. So, whoever owns 2009 next may decide to restore it again, according to his or her tastes, which may in fact mirror your personal taste.
It's only about time and money.
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A point none of the "experts" has raised is that CSX2557 sold for $1.6mm and did not have the race history of this car. If it didn't matter how the current owner chose to rebuild CSX2009, then why doesn't it command at least that amount and more?
BTW, my personal taste has nothing to do with it. The car is simply an inauthentic replica of a 1964 competition car with bits of a 1963 competition car thrown in. Those are facts, not opinion.
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Jeff, I think John expresses my thoughts the best.
2009's history is recorded, in detail, in the SAAC archives. So, whoever owns 2009 next may decide to restore it again, according to his or her tastes, which may in fact mirror your personal taste.
It's only about time and money.
correct! Its a race car...regardless of its history...it was still raced...it was still wrecked...it was modified over and over...at what point in time do you then say..."THIS" is how CSX2009 should look??? it was used, abused, tossed away and then brought back from the dead.
Fact of the matter is...the current owner could sell this car with a steaming turd on the hood and it will still have some most of us will never have....this:
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The SAAC topic was locked within an hour but now is totally gone.
Good thing, because the moderator gutted the whole point of the thread by his edits of my initial post; should have just taken it down right away.
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Good thing, because the moderator gutted the whole point of the thread by his edits of my initial post; should have just taken it down right away.
Jeff
If you mean the unwarranted personal attack that you posted, guilty as charged. If it makes you feel better, I did get a scolding for editing and not removing the post as a whole from the "forum guide".
Bill S.
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If you mean the unwarranted personal attack that you posted, guilty as charged. If it makes you feel better, I did get a scolding for editing and not removing the post as a whole from the "forum guide".
Bill S.
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The "unwarranted personal attack" you edited out was simply this (to the best of my recollection):
So why am I here? An SAAC member that calls himself RACER X #99 is riled up by my opinions, and had this to say on another forum:
"You have some nerve critiquing somebody's real Cobra when all you own is a replica."
Apparently RACER X #99 doesn't believe the First Amendment applies to replica owners.
He also said this:
"I would like to see Jeffy (have you ever heard an adult call himself Jeffy?) discuss his feelings on CSX 2009 over here,The Official SAAC Forum - Index"
I am more than happy to oblige.
Jeff
Help me out, Bill, which parts are the "unwarranted personal attacks" by me (the two by RACER X #99 are self-evident)? Or did I forget something?
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Bill-
The "unwarranted personal attack" you edited out was simply this (to the best of my recollection):
So why am I here? An SAAC member that calls himself RACER X #99 is riled up by my opinions, and had this to say on another forum:
"You have some nerve critiquing somebody's real Cobra when all you own is a replica."
Apparently RACER X #99 doesn't believe the First Amendment applies to replica owners.
He also said this:
"I would like to see Jeffy (have you ever heard an adult call himself Jeffy?) discuss his feelings on CSX 2009 over here,The Official SAAC Forum - Index"
I am more than happy to oblige.
Jeff
Help me out, Bill, which parts are the "unwarranted personal attacks" by me (the two by RACER X #99 are self-evident)? Or did I forget something?
Jeff
Jeff,
I believe that when you cross post an argument from one forum to another that it is in bad taste. All it does is bring bad blood from one web site to another and does nothing but bring both sites down. On Clubhotrod.com (which I also moderate),the sister site of clubcobra, I have a pretty heavy hand when it comes to head games like this. As such I freely admit I was a bit heavy handed with your post at the SAACforum, again, the post above shows why, if you can't see the real reason why it was removed I'm sorry, perhaps when your emotions calm down you will. Inclosing, while I do understand your emotionally charged response to a point, I honestly believe you need to also take a step back, a deep breath,and also take the high road and let this argument disappear into the archives.Again, agree to disagree and leave it at that, you'll be the better man for it...
Sincerely,
Bill S.
PS: Don't take it personal, don't make it personal, that is how I try to roll these days, wish everyone else would as well.
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Race cars are frequently rebuilt. Especially in that day it was not uncommon to take pieces and parts from multiple vehicles. You could see a car wrecked on Friday time trials and appear in the race on Sunday.
So if I get your "opinion", this (admittedly not a Cobra), as it was:
and now:
has no value. Go ahead, try to buy it.
Bottom line is that a car with a history ("provenance") has intrinsic value. 2009 has a well documented history.
P.S. Look in the background of the first "now" picture
Now if I can get to Scottsdale in January to get some quality photo time with Ron Pratte's Tucker.
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Do I really need to point out that the rebuilt GT40 is IDENTICAL to the wrecked one? And appears to have a lot more original parts, or identical replacements to original parts?
CSX2009 is a nice replica of a 1964 competition car, but gets some major elements wrong, as I've already noted. When the car was a race car, it looked more like this one (interestingly, the livery of CSX2002 was copied by CSX2009 in the rebuild, but little else):
NFN Jeffy but you are NOT an expert on Cobra restorations.
For one thing you didn't even build your own replica, you paid others to do the work while you try to pass yourself off as the Cobra guru. ( excuse me replica guru)
Most of the guys you are disputing here are REAL Cobra experts (me excluded) recognized in the industry for their expertise.
OK so you have one or two ERA owners on your side but they are not experts either.
Your comments are just your opinions but the experts have shown that they are not valid.
People who are interested in buying 2009 will just dismiss you as a disgruntled replica owner.
There used to be a guy on this board with an attitude similar to yours but he embarrassed himself( not to mention wearing out his welcome) so many time that he rarely ever posts here.
Can't you just accept the fact that you have a nice replica (maybe one of the nicest) and leave it at that?
I don't want to be your friend because I think you are a know it all, but do you want to alienate everybody on this board?
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NFN Jeffy but you are NOT an expert on Cobra restorations.
For one thing you didn't even build your own replica, you paid others to do the work while you try to pass yourself off as the Cobra guru. ( excuse me replica guru)
Most of the guys you are disputing here are REAL Cobra experts (me excluded) recognized in the industry for their expertise.
OK so you have one or two ERA owners on your side but they are not experts either.
Your comments are just your opinions but the experts have shown that they are not valid.
People who are interested in buying 2009 will just dismiss you as a disgruntled replica owner.
There used to be a guy on this board with an attitude similar to yours but he embarrassed himself( not to mention wearing out his welcome) so many time that he rarely ever posts here.
Can't you just accept the fact that you have a nice replica (maybe one of the nicest) and leave it at that?
I don't want to be your friend because I think you are a know it all, but do you want to alienate everybody on this board?
Roger,
While I do not moderate here, might I suggest you take the high road and let things cool down between you and Jeff.
Humbly submitted,
Bill S.
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While I do not moderate here, might I suggest you take the high road and let things cool down between you and Jeff.
Humbly submitted,
Bill S.
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Bill I have nothing to lose in this battle, my reputation went out the window when I tried to knock down the Armco at one of the tracks in the Northeast.
This guy has no idea who he is sparing with (not me, the experts) so every time he make another post he just makes himself look like a bigger fool.
One guy lost every friend he ever had here and I'm afraid Jeffy is headed in the same direction.
But as you suggested I will take the high road as I have more important things to do right now. It's almost nap time.
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This guy has no idea who he is sparing with (not me, the experts)
R X #99-
I could not care less who I'm "sparring" with (two "r"s, btw). First, the facts are the facts and, second, I'm entitled to my opinion. If in Shelby-world this car can bring over a $1million, that is a very nice windfall for Erik and his family. That doesn't change the facts or my opinion.
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Originally Posted by RACER X #99
NFN Jeffy but you are NOT an expert on Cobra restorations.
For one thing you didn't even build your own replica, you paid others to do the work while you try to pass yourself off as the Cobra guru. ( excuse me replica guru)
Most of the guys you are disputing here are REAL Cobra experts (me excluded) recognized in the industry for their expertise.
OK so you have one or two ERA owners on your side but they are not experts either.
Your comments are just your opinions but the experts have shown that they are not valid.
People who are interested in buying 2009 will just dismiss you as a disgruntled replica owner.
There used to be a guy on this board with an attitude similar to yours but he embarrassed himself( not to mention wearing out his welcome) so many time that he rarely ever posts here.
Can't you just accept the fact that you have a nice replica (maybe one of the nicest) and leave it at that?
I don't want to be your friend because I think you are a know it all, but do you want to alienate everybody on this board?
R X #99-
The fact that I own a replica is totally irrelevant. Why do you keep bringing it up?
Anyone with a pair of eyes and access to the internet can verify that every critique I have made of the CSX2009 rebuild is true. The experts' opinions on what the car might sell for don't change these facts one way or another.
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