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REAL 1 06-13-2012 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1195523)
Assuming that's correct, and I don't know if it is, but all aluminum SOHC engine built by Keith Craft is $38,000. And I'd take that in a heartbeat.

New Ford Aluminum SOHC 427 FE Cammer Engine Complete | eBay

Personally, when it comes to engines, an aftermarket all aluminum FE for about $20K +/- works for me. I don't need NOS blocks, heads, intakes, etc.
Then a nice original 427SO will be in the same range if not more. I consider $35K to be in the same range as $38K. I was likely low on my estimate that why I qualified it with words like "every bit of".

Point is you can get BB power for alot less if you can do with out the Holy Grail of Cobra engines and the 427SO is clearly that IMHO or a nice aluminum block 427 like the Shelby block.

PHC1 06-13-2012 04:54 PM
Quick question, any cooling issues with the iron sleeved aluminum blocks?

RodKnock 06-13-2012 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by PHC1 (Post 1195528)
Quick question, any cooling issues with the iron sleeved aluminum blocks?
Not if you keep your car in the garage like I do. :LOL:

There are no known cooling issues related to the Shelby or Pond aluminum blocks.

My holy grail is an all-aluminum SOHC engine. I don't want or need any 50-year old cast iron parts.

BTW, Robert Pond is now in the testing stage of his new aluminum SOHC heads. :) :3DSMILE:

PHC1 06-13-2012 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1195533)
Not if you keep your car in the garage like I do. :LOL:

There are no known cooling issues related to the Shelby or Pond aluminum blocks.

My holy grail is an all-aluminum SOHC engine. I don't want or need any 50-year old cast iron parts.

BTW, Robert Pond is now in the testing stage of his new aluminum SOHC heads. :) :3DSMILE:
Good one! :LOL:

So Shelby or Pond no problem, good to know!

SoTxButler 06-13-2012 05:46 PM
Keith Craft will sell you one today for $38,000. Well known highly respected builder..all aluminum Pond block with Coon heads, Dove 2x4 manifold and ready to pump out big horsepower.

DanEC 06-13-2012 05:58 PM
I remember reading in Colin Comer's book that early CSX 3000 street cars used 427 center oilers before the 428 blocks. Are you sure any street roadsters actually came with side oilers? Maybe after they switched back to 427s?

mreid 06-13-2012 07:04 PM
The real answer to all the comments in this thread is to get a Kirkham 289 car and put a small block 427w in it with some decals that try to fool people into thinking it is really a 289. You stick to the correct engine/body combination and get that awesome sound.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...d/ebf84f93.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...d/1b910d1f.jpg

BAsque1 06-13-2012 08:00 PM
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PHC1:
it might be bragging rights and lots of money, and yes there are others that can do virtually the same, but the sound and power of the SO is unequalled, I have a real one in my Cobra and it is orgasmic.
Just my humble opinion
Basque 1(Lou)

patrickt 06-13-2012 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by REAL 1 (Post 1195527)
Then a nice original 427SO will be in the same range if not more. I consider $35K to be in the same range as $38K.
I haven't been paying attention in the last few years to prices, but if my 428, which has pretty good stuff, was instead a 427SO block it would now cost me close to $40k? Jeez. Well, it does look and sound exactly like a 427SO -- unless you put it up on a lift and look from the underside.

Got the Bug 06-13-2012 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mreid (Post 1195549)
The real answer to all the comments in this thread is to get a Kirkham 289 car and put a small block 427w in it with some decals that try to fool people into thinking it is really a 289. You stick to the correct engine/body combination and get that awesome sound.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...d/ebf84f93.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...d/1b910d1f.jpg
I like it. In the end, these are just modern hot rods...almost like funny cars with a Cobra body. It's all freestyle.

DougD 06-13-2012 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DanEC (Post 1195541)
I remember reading in Colin Comer's book that early CSX 3000 street cars used 427 center oilers before the 428 blocks. Are you sure any street roadsters actually came with side oilers? Maybe after they switched back to 427s?
Good catch. The old wives' tale that "all 427 Cobras came with a side oiler" is my pick for the most-repeated lie about Cobras.

The truth is that a few more than 300 427 Cobras were made, and that the mix of engines was roughly 1/3 center oilers, 1/3 428 PIs, and 1/3 side oilers. So that 428 or center oiler is just as correct as the hallowed side oiler.

mdross1 06-14-2012 03:59 AM
You need an FE if you really think you need an FE.As far as sound any motor with a given displacement of 427" will give you that sound you crave.Whatever you decide for style of block or ci make certain you have it built by someone with the experience and understands what you want for performance.Good Luck

patrickt 06-14-2012 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by mdross1 (Post 1195590)
As far as sound any motor with a given displacement of 427" will give you that sound you crave.
Not true. The sound of a big block does not come from the size of the space in the cylinders, but rather it comes from the size and shape of the metal of the block. Just like a bell, it's not the size of the "hole" that makes up the underside of the bell, it's the size of the crown, waist, soundbow, etc that makes up the bell itself. I have never heard, or felt the sound, of a small block that was the same as a big block. Now, I firmly believe you can make a SB just as powerful as a BB, but you can never make it sound the same, anymore than you can make a small bell make the same sound as a big bell.:cool:

DanEC 06-14-2012 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1195593)
Not true. The sound of a big block does not come from the size of the space in the cylinders, but rather it comes from the size and shape of the metal of the block. Just like a bell, it's not the size of the "hole" that makes up the underside of the bell, it's the size of the crown, waist, soundbow, etc that makes up the bell itself. I have never heard, or felt the sound, of a small block that was the same as a big block. Now, I firmly believe you can make a SB just as powerful as a BB, but you can never make it sound the same, anymore than you can make a small bell make the same sound as a big bell.:cool:
Some of the difference in sound between various engine makes results from differences in the firing order. I don't know if a SB Ford has the same firing order as a FE - probably does. And then compression and cam timing and exhaust size/configuration contribute enormously too.

Bill Bess 06-14-2012 06:25 AM
FE's sound big, bad and scary, SB's usually sound.......small, but they do cackle.

crASH 06-14-2012 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1195593)
Not true. The sound of a big block does not come from the size of the space in the cylinders, but rather it comes from the size and shape of the metal of the block. Just like a bell, it's not the size of the "hole" that makes up the underside of the bell, it's the size of the crown, waist, soundbow, etc that makes up the bell itself. I have never heard, or felt the sound, of a small block that was the same as a big block. Now, I firmly believe you can make a SB just as powerful as a BB, but you can never make it sound the same, anymore than you can make a small bell make the same sound as a big bell.:cool:
This being the case, the sound would be determined by whatever the "bell" is made of, be it iron or aluminum. I've not heard an aluminum BB next to an iron BB, but they should sound vastly different if the bell anology is correct.

rodneym 06-14-2012 11:12 AM
I agree with crASH. A bell is made to resonate. It's size, shape, material and thickness will all have a dramatic effect on the sound it makes, not to mention the hammer or mallet.

Suspend and iron, aluminum, FE, SB, etc. and see how they sound when struck. They will all sound a little different and have resonant frequencies but they probably won't translate well to the [glorius] sound of a BB and the [bothersome] noise of a SB. :p

I'd say it's the C/R, bore, heads, headers and pipes, even fuel probably, moreso than the mass of metal.

I wish the builders would chime in (no pun intended). :LOL:

RodKnock 06-14-2012 12:46 PM
I think you're all right. :)

I'm just ecstatic that Patrick didn't wax (on) poetically about his non-427 sideoiler, with mechanical flat tappet lifters, sounding like one of these:

patrickt 06-14-2012 12:56 PM
I sense he doesn't really want a SFT engine... else I surely would have.

rpatton3 06-14-2012 01:43 PM
Do you "need" one? Probably not since Ford won lots of NASCAR races in 1963 and 1964 with center oiler or top oiler engines. Iron crankshaft, too. But I think it would cool to have one, too.

My dad was the Ford dealer here in Jonesboro, Ar from 1929. - 1967 and it was cool to take advertising brochures to Buick dealer down the street.

The 425 2 quad Buick Riverias were nowhere near 425 HP.

Go for it! I love FE engines!

The side oilers came along in 1965 probably as 1966 models.


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