| patrickt |
06-25-2012 06:21 PM |
Did you ask him what he was running that let his hydraulic cam run to 6700 and maybe peak past seven grand without floating the valves off to Never, Never Land?%/
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| olddog |
06-25-2012 09:41 PM |
The guy was very open about what he put in the engine. When I talk to dozens of people things get muddled in my head. I think he may have said it had titanium valve train, but I'm not sure. The engine was full of high end stuff. Lighten knife edge crank for one.
He limited it to 6700. He said nothing about turning more rpm. It is my observation that from a breathing point of view the Hp would not have peaked until over 7500, but as you point out the valves would likely float before it reached its peak.
They were turning these engines over 7000 back in the 60's with lesser parts than are available today. I know you solid lifter guys think hydraulics are terrible, but hydraulics pump up because the springs cannot close the valves with enough force. Solids buy you a little more rpm on a marginal spring setup, but it does not cure the problem.
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| mdross1 |
06-26-2012 05:39 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt
(Post 1197408)
What a bunch of pussies. I say we put the gloves on both of you and give you three, 3-minute rounds, and see who's left standing. :cool:
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I see how this works Patrick, you stir the pot then stand back and watch the action.Always enjoyed a good spar but those days are over we older guys have to resort to other equalizers.Drag racing has always been a good outlet.
Since we all know this electronic brow beating is going no where and we all march to a different beat,it will have to be left at that.The sounds belching from the pipes of our testosterone pumps no matter what is moving the air will be heard differently and 100% certain most people will never know the difference of what surrounds those cylinders.Iron, aluminum,FE,385,sb,bb,you still want to argue.Go for it!! |
| patrickt |
06-26-2012 05:47 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by mdross1
(Post 1197556)
... but those days are over we older guys have to resort to other equalizers. Drag racing has always been a good outlet.
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... or perhaps one round of paper/rock/scissors... winner take all. :cool: |
| JBCOBRA |
06-26-2012 11:34 AM |
Hey MDRoss
Have fun with your new toy!
Maybe we should chip in and get PattieT a Prozac the size of a Football!?!:LOL::JEKYLHYDE:p
Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt
(Post 1197557)
... or perhaps one round of paper/rock/scissors... winner take all. :cool:
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| Le Mans |
06-26-2012 12:32 PM |
Peace man...
Heard some of them and Somehow, i dunno why still the old y-block sounds best to me standard. Then listening hollman moodys big block GT40 Will wet my pants. Imho It has All to do with cam setup. Like tearing a phone catalog..
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| mdross1 |
06-26-2012 03:34 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt
(Post 1197557)
... or perhaps one round of paper/rock/scissors... winner take all. :cool:
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I concede you can win never caught onto this game.I'll stick with my sweet sounding 385 and leave you FE guys alone.
Hope you got what you needed from these posts PHC1.Sometimes we boys get a little anxious in the sandbox talking about our toys,it's all in fun. |
| Thor maine |
06-26-2012 05:57 PM |
There are great performing and great sounding engines from Ford, GM/Chevy and Mopar!! You "Ford only in a Cobra" guy's don't seem to have any sense of humor. Oh yeah "It's not a real Cobra" no matter how much you want it to be. It's a Hot Rod that has the shape of a Shelby-AC-Ford COBRA. To the OP get the motor you like,can afford and can work on and enjoy the ride.
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| Thor maine |
06-26-2012 06:04 PM |
Let the fireworks begin!
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| DanEC |
06-26-2012 06:04 PM |
You all are wetting my appetite for the day I get my FE fired up. I guess I'll see how it sounds next to my L-88, 12:1 comp, 2-1/2 inch sidepipe Corvette.
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Some really excellent posts here guys! Thank you all for the enlightenment and the entertainment. My BB FE curiosity has been peaked even more. :)
Same question part II.
So looking around some more and asking more questions has me seriously considering an ERA 427SC. If it is going to be an ERA replica, I might as well go with a 427FE BB.
I am now looking into Pond, Shelby or Genesis blocks and a build based on these "modern" BB FEs. So the question is, am I heading in the right direction???
The claims on the aluminum block strength on RPM website are impressive to say the least! 1300HP use, stronger than the original block, side oiler but modified to oil the main bearings first, etc... Looks of the "real deal" but with modern redesign and improvements.
427 Ford Engine Block, Pond Engine Blocks FAQ |
| rpatton3 |
06-27-2012 12:41 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by olddog
(Post 1197522)
The guy was very open about what he put in the engine. When I talk to dozens of people things get muddled in my head. I think he may have said it had titanium valve train, but I'm not sure. The engine was full of high end stuff. Lighten knife edge crank for one.
He limited it to 6700. He said nothing about turning more rpm. It is my observation that from a breathing point of view the Hp would not have peaked until over 7500, but as you point out the valves would likely float before it reached its peak.
They were turning these engines over 7000 back in the 60's with lesser parts than are available today. I know you solid lifter guys think hydraulics are terrible, but hydraulics pump up because the springs cannot close the valves with enough force. Solids buy you a little more rpm on a marginal spring setup, but it does not cure the problem.
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There was a movie in the 1960's about stock car racing, Redline 7000, when FE 427 engines had iron crankshafts and were center oilers. I remember that because the FE engines changed to 427 from 406 when the fastback roof came out in mid-year.
Russell |
| Silverback51 |
06-27-2012 03:36 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by DanEC
(Post 1197683)
You all are wetting my appetite for the day I get my FE fired up. I guess I'll see how it sounds next to my L-88, 12:1 comp, 2-1/2 inch sidepipe Corvette.
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To me there is no better sounding engine than a solid lifter BB Chevy. |
| mdross1 |
06-27-2012 04:10 AM |
A couple more engines that really tickle my fancy are a 2550cc Harley motor idling and under load.Also a 321 ci 2 cylinder John Deere tractor idling and under load.Life is Good!
Really looking forward to hearing this 427" SB2 make noise.
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| RodKnock |
06-27-2012 08:28 AM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by PHC1
(Post 1197684)
I am now looking into Pond, Shelby or Genesis blocks and a build based on these "modern" BB FEs. So the question is, am I heading in the right direction???
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I would say yes. But as I mentioned earlier, the Shelby block, which I have, is not a sideoiler and it's also a little more expensive. They are a little beefier from what I understand and heavier (20 lbs?) than the Pond, but they're both beefy and outstanding blocks.
As for the Genesis, their iron block would be the least expensive and Barry R loves them. I think every build he does for the Engine Masters competition has an iron Genesis block. AFAIK, Genesis may still make an aluminum sideoiler block, but a few years ago they had casting issues and disappeared from the market. They still may be available, but I don't know anyone here who runs one. |
| bret a ewing |
06-27-2012 10:10 AM |
The answer is "yes".:D
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The aluminum pond block has the original SO casting numbers and once painted it looks OEM. I've also been told that it's sound to 1500hp.
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| patrickt |
06-27-2012 10:17 AM |
Remember though, under certain circumstances, and in certain states, there is a real advantage to having a vintage block. In some states, it can be a bus ticket past the emissions folks. You might want to double check that before you make your final decision.
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| RodKnock |
06-27-2012 10:30 AM |
According to their websites, the blocks weigh as follows:
Pond block = 120 lbs
Shelby block = 125 lbs
Factory FE = 195 lbs
Genesis block = 230 lbs
Also, the max bore sizes are:
Pond block = 4.310"
Shelby block = 4.440"
Genesis block = 4.440"
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| fjrgary |
06-27-2012 07:36 PM |
to answer your original question, the answer is YES!!!!!!!!
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