reasons for a side oiler Vs a center oiler

[dcdoug]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Well let's not forget that 3001 had a high performance 289 small block with a c-4 automatic transmission (and had a slightly different body than the typical 427 competition or S/C).

So if you want to drop a small block in your big block replica there is a historical precedent.

But that doesn't make it right and we would appropriately ostracize you.

[REAL 1]

3001 was a prototype. There is no precedent if you are looking at production 427s.

BTW since this detail about 427s is now being discuss and it is clear that there was a significant difference between 427 CO and the 427 SO in durability and performance and we know that when the "civilian" asks the original series CSX 3000 owner if that is a "real" 427 isn't the owner with a CO lying to the "civilian" when he say "yes" when we all know that they are asking if is the vaunted Side Oiler?

Hmmmm

[DanEC]

I suspect that 97% of "civilians" would not know what a side oiler is, anymore than they would a MKIV porcipine-head chevy motor.

[PLDRIVE]

DanEC U are giving waaaaaaaay too much credit to the public (97%). I would estimate 99.9% would not know the difference.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

3001 was not exactly a "prototype", it was a "chassis" sent to Detroit Styling and made into the "Bordinat Cobra".

Originally Posted by PLDRIVE

DanEC U are giving waaaaaaaay too much credit to the public (97%). I would estimate 99.9% would not know the difference.

True as to the general public at large but not as to the general car enthusiast with a basic working knowledge about Cobras. The vast majority of press articles and books highlighted the use of the 427SO and 428 and it is this quotient that they are working from. To deny this is to deny there is a nose on your face.

[DanEC]

At the risk of coming out of hiding to further feed this fracus I respectively would have to disagree.

Most references, magazines, and books that I read about the 427 series Cobras just use generic "427" and "428" terminlogy. There are certainly articles that go into some detail on the motors but usually just to differentiate between the more pedestrian 428 and the race-heritage 427 motors. I see as many, if not more, references to cross-bolted 427 engines than I do to side-oiler 427 engines. I have a number of reproduced and original magazines with road tests on original Cobras and they just don't discuss the oiling systems. I had to really dig to find that the first cars were in fact, not side oiler 427s.

The old 427 LR/MR/HR/TP motors are great motors with a race pedigree that improved with every step in their development. They are all great. For that matter so are the 390 and 406 high performance motors of the early 60s, with their high compression, multiple carbs, hot mech cams, streamlined exhaust manifolds, and dual-point distributors. I would love to have a 61 Starliner with a 390/401 HP motor or 62 Galaxie with a 406/405 motor.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

3001 was a prototype. There is no precedent if you are looking at production 427s.

BTW since this detail about 427s is now being discuss and it is clear that there was a significant difference between 427 CO and the 427 SO in durability and performance and we know that when the "civilian" asks the original series CSX 3000 owner if that is a "real" 427 isn't the owner with a CO lying to the "civilian" when he say "yes" when we all know that they are asking if is the vaunted Side Oiler?

Hmmmm

3001 was not exactly a "prototype", it was a "chassis" sent to Detroit Styling and made into the "Bordinat Cobra".

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

3001 was not exactly a "prototype", it was a "chassis" sent to Detroit Styling and made into the "Bordinat Cobra".

Really? CSX3001 is precedent for a SB in a BB chassis? not in my book.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Really? CSX3001 is precedent for a SB in a BB chassis? not in my book.

Yeah, why not. And if you're ever inclined to use skinny white wall tires on wire wheels or want to add hidden pop-up headlights to your BB replica, there is a precedent for that too.

[CSX3183]

Now there's some ass backward logic!

I guess then that the 427's that finished 1-2-3 at Daytona in 1963, weren't really 427's, since they weren't S.O.'s.

A 427 is a 427, unless of course you've been smoking something, then who knows what you're thinking?

Originally Posted by REAL 1

3001 was a prototype. There is no precedent if you are looking at production 427s.

BTW since this detail about 427s is now being discuss and it is clear that there was a significant difference between 427 CO and the 427 SO in durability and performance and we know that when the "civilian" asks the original series CSX 3000 owner if that is a "real" 427 isn't the owner with a CO lying to the "civilian" when he say "yes" when we all know that they are asking if is the vaunted Side Oiler?

Hmmmm

[55312]

Just a little history on those unreliable 427 Center Oilers:

In 1963 the 427 Galaxies dominated NASCAR. Tiny Lund won the first and biggest race of the year, the Daytona 500, with 427's finishing 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th. Ford won 23 races to Plymouth's 19. The Plymouths earned all their victories on the short tracks while Ford dominated the Super Speedways. Chevrolet had 8 wins and Pontiac had 4.

In 1964 Ford had their best season ever with 30 wins. Dodge was second with 14 while Plymouth had 12. If you add the 5 wins that Mercury had, the 427 had a total of 35 NASCAR Grand National wins for the 1964 season. Fred Lorenzen won the Atlanta 500 and proceeded to beat Dodges and Plymouths, which were using 426 Hemi engines contrary to stated NASCAR rules, in 6 of the next 7 races. Ford was using the high-riser intake and matching heads, which were allowed by NASCAR for one season (1964).

Just think how many races they would have won in 1964 if the engines had been durable and reliable...........

BTW Ned Jarret won the 1965 Nascar crown with the poorly designed medium riser intake and heads too.

[DanEC]

Thanks guys - I almost commented that a bunch of 63 and 64 Galaxie 427 owners would be disappointed to hear how much their motors lacked in performance and durability but you said it much better.