Ford 385 (460) series Induction - Page 2

mdross1 · #1 (**permalink**) 11-12-2013, 05:05 AM

These guys are right when it comes to having all the components inside an engine working together especially with EFI and an 8 Stack. Even if money were not an issue it would seem a real shame to spend 7k for a look that would not be any fun at all to drive.
When building our car with 460 looked into mechanical stack injection was talked out of it.Now have a Davinci 1000 cfm dbl pmp could not be happier.

Years ago before learning the hard way went through the aggravation in a daily driver that made me sick everytime I climbed behind the wheel. Finally out of desperation tore the engine apart and made things right,after that loved the look because the car then was a joy to drive.

Whatever you decide make it all work together you will be so much happier,good luck.
Mike

Mdman352 · #2 (**permalink**) 11-12-2013, 05:08 AM

Just for conversation.....
A 460 cubic inch motor SHOULD have a 750-900 cfm carb on it. See here:

Carb CFM Calculator

I have 2 Cobras in my garage, one with a 427 (454) with a 850 cfm carb on it that made 486 hp and another with a 545 cubic inch motor with a 950 cfm carb on it that made 750 hp. Both motors were dynoed on a stand and once installed. The numbers are real and spec sheets were provided by the builder(s) (at half the cost of the aforementioned build).
That being said, stack injection LOOKS cool but filtration is an issue if the car is going to be used for anything more than occasionally going to a show.
Just for the record, 750 hp is NOT fun to drive around town.
Please do not take offense at the other posters as they are trying to help you.

STL Mark · #3 (**permalink**) 11-12-2013, 08:33 AM

I totally understand...he's after "the look". I just don't think that tearing into a very well performing engine is a good thing.

Dual Carbs also have "the look".

Just my .02 - he should look into that.

D-CEL · #4 (**permalink**) 11-12-2013, 09:18 AM

"My question is has anyone else used the Hilborn system, or Inglese, or any other EFI 8 stack system, and their experiences. I know the benifits of going from a carb system to and 8 stack EFI system. True Webbers, and their inherent tuneing problems are a bridge I do not want to cross."

focus people!
The OP is proud of his machine and happy with its performance. Yes a single carb can make the power. But that's not what he is asking. Now that he has been served a plate full from the self-righteous, lets get back on task with the question or quietly bow out...

Mother,
There are several Individual Runner systems for the 385 series Ford, Hilborn, Kinsler, TWM/BORLA, VCP and others.
I think its important to understand, that while IR EFI rigs are cool, they are VASTLY more complex, costly and will require patience and studied dedication OR a pile of dollars to end up with a tuned and efficient motor.
Even good tuners get nervous when they see all those throttle openings and linkage. Lots to think about when your trying to balance it all on a running motor.
I have TWM system I bought used that came off a Cobra. The orig. owner spent near $10k and could never get it to do what he thought it should do. So he tore it off, thru it in a box, slapped on a single plane and a big carb and never looked back. He was expecting to bolt it on, plug it in, and run like a new car...Not so much.
I am confident in saying you can get there with the right hard parts, efi controller and most important FIND A GREAT TUNER IN YOUR AREA!
Remember, just because they build motors, doesn't make them a great EFI tuner. Do some research on Yellow Bullet in the EFI section. You will learn a lot.
I am a big fan on the new Holley EFI controllers, I think the self learning capability and user friendly, visual based tuning tools make the process infinitely less daunting. Personally, I like a system with an IAC (Idle Air Control) but that is something to discuss with your tuner.
Good luck!
Jason

STL Mark · #5 (**permalink**) 11-12-2013, 11:01 AM

I've seen a couple of nice looking TVM 460 systems. They do look awesome.

Frank Messina · #6 (**permalink**) 11-12-2013, 01:52 PM

Just to add another stick to the fire, somebody loaded the OP with a lot of baloney and took his money. A 460 with a 650 perched on top will certainly make enough torque to spin the tires once in a while but it will never ever flow enough air to make the claimed torque and HP numbers. And why modify a 650 instead of just using the correct carb in the first place? To an inexperienced ear, modified this, custom that, and special whatever is more digestible than a bunch of unfamiliar specs. I'm not going to abuse the guy because he got smoked, but it just doesn't wash, none of it.

I'm stopping there.
Frank

D-CEL · #7 (**permalink**) 11-12-2013, 02:41 PM

It sounds as though the carb could just as easily be a 950.. But I don't think it matters in the context of his question other than to say, 10/10ths performance is not his goal. And that's cool, to each his own.
I like my cool racy bits too. Even when a cheaper simple version may work too.
I do know its sucks to get bashed by the people who claim to share the common interest.....

Jason

ERA Chas · #8 (**permalink**) 11-12-2013, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-CEL

I do know its sucks to get bashed by the people who claim to share the common interest.....

Nobody here bashed him-it was made apparent to him that he got hurt. Skepticism is not bashing, especially when accompanied by correct information and sincere helpful advice.

mdross1 · #9 (**permalink**) 11-13-2013, 05:51 AM

I do know its sucks to get bashed by the people who claim to share the common interest.....

For the most part I do not see it as bashing either just like minded enthusiasts trying to help the OP out with constructive feedback.
Hopefully he will let us know what he decided on and how it works out.

patrickt · #10 (**permalink**) 11-13-2013, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdross1

I do know its sucks to get bashed by the people who claim to share the common interest.....

For the most part I do not see it as bashing either just like minded enthusiasts trying to help the OP out with constructive feedback.
Hopefully he will let us know what he decided on and how it works out.

Yes, just good natured locker room bantering. You know, like in Miami....

Jamo · #11 (**permalink**) 11-13-2013, 02:10 PM

Shhhhhh! Everyone take a time out.

Jamo · #12 (**permalink**) 11-13-2013, 03:16 PM

A Smart watch...now you're pretending you're Dick Tracy?

computerworks · #13 (**permalink**) 11-13-2013, 03:30 PM

Can't afford a "real" one, so I velcro-strap my phone to my wrist.

Works OK... but tough getting a jacket on.

Jamo · #14 (**permalink**) 11-13-2013, 07:28 PM

Oh...Durk Tracy.

just dreamin · #15 (**permalink**) 11-14-2013, 04:47 AM

I too have a 460 that I would like to put a nice looking EFI system onto. Having looked at the eight stack link I cannot find a 429/460 reference and really wonder if there is one?
It shouldn't matter to anyone if I am entitled to buy one or not, and if they were really able to help me as well as Mother it would be appreciated.