I want a Cobra,

[69boss429]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Sorta like these?

Yes,in basic black of course !

[MRGEORGE077]

Kinda like this?

Originally Posted by 69boss429

Yes,in basic black of course !

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by MRGEORGE077

Kinda like this?

Car porn....I likey...

[69boss429]

All good ideas and point taken,however,I decided to post the sale here because most if not all of the members of this board seem the type to enjoy their cars on the open road.
A good many of the "Boss 429" community rarely ever do that,simply content to look at their piece of history.
Don't get me wrong,I enjoy looking at perfectly restored cars as well,just not row upon row of the same ones.
Being the original owner I went through the initial phase of babying,washing,waxing,and just enjoying ownership.
That lasted for the first couple thousand miles.
Oh I still cared loveingly for it but also drove the snot out of it and drag raced every chance I got.That was phase 2
Then came the modifications,I worked at Hank's Speed Shop in Berwyn Pa in the early 70's and it was like being in the candy store with carbs,headers,traction bars,etc at my disposal.
Then came the gas crisis,a tour with my Uncle Sam,marriage children,etc,and the Boss was tucked away for over 30 years.
In early 2002 I decided it was time to bring back the Boss and with a Boss cars Reunion coming up in 2005 at Carlisle I had a deadline.
I didn't want a concours trailer car I wanted a performance car the way it should have come from the factory if you could build it the way you wanted.

At the Boss cars reunion I got a lot of looks and comments including many saying why did you do such and such and not restore it to stock.
Boring !
The highlight of the reunion was an award from Dr.John Craft,author of several Ford and Mustang books

John wrote to me.
"I really liked your Boss '9.I especiallyliked the fact that you clearly built it to drive!That made it much more interesting to me than the typical run of the mill concours car.Of course,the incredible attention to detail and the overall quality of the work done to the car speak for themselves"

I really respect the fact that the vast majority of members here drive not only their hand built replicas but the original Cobras as well.
So,if anyone has a Cobra that they want to trade along with a pile of cash I'd rather the Boss go to someone here that can appreciate and enjoy it then to a garage to be uncovered once in awhile to be stared at

[mrmustang]

The other problem I see is that you are asking above private party "concourse" pricing for a car that is not concourse level. Most who are willing to spend the big bucks, expect the car to be 100% stock. While yours is ultra clean, and tastefully modified, it is not anyone elses idea of the dream except yours as the owner. One day you'll understand what I am saying, but speaking with you last year at the LVSAAC show in Hershey(among other venues we were both at), you were still not ready to hear, or understand where I was coming from.

Respectfully submitted,


Bill S.

Originally Posted by 69boss429

All good ideas and point taken,however,I decided to post the sale here because most if not all of the members of this board seem the type to enjoy their cars on the open road.
A good many of the "Boss 429" community rarely ever do that,simply content to look at their piece of history.
Don't get me wrong,I enjoy looking at perfectly restored cars as well,just not row upon row of the same ones.
Being the original owner I went through the initial phase of babying,washing,waxing,and just enjoying ownership.
That lasted for the first couple thousand miles.
Oh I still cared loveingly for it but also drove the snot out of it and drag raced every chance I got.That was phase 2
Then came the modifications,I worked at Hank's Speed Shop in Berwyn Pa in the early 70's and it was like being in the candy store with carbs,headers,traction bars,etc at my disposal.
Then came the gas crisis,a tour with my Uncle Sam,marriage children,etc,and the Boss was tucked away for over 30 years.
In early 2002 I decided it was time to bring back the Boss and with a Boss cars Reunion coming up in 2005 at Carlisle I had a deadline.
I didn't want a concours trailer car I wanted a performance car the way it should have come from the factory if you could build it the way you wanted.

At the Boss cars reunion I got a lot of looks and comments including many saying why did you do such and such and not restore it to stock.
Boring !
The highlight of the reunion was an award from Dr.John Craft,author of several Ford and Mustang books

John wrote to me.
"I really liked your Boss '9.I especiallyliked the fact that you clearly built it to drive!That made it much more interesting to me than the typical run of the mill concours car.Of course,the incredible attention to detail and the overall quality of the work done to the car speak for themselves"

I really respect the fact that the vast majority of members here drive not only their hand built replicas but the original Cobras as well.
So,if anyone has a Cobra that they want to trade along with a pile of cash I'd rather the Boss go to someone here that can appreciate and enjoy it then to a garage to be uncovered once in awhile to be stared at

[Mark IV]

Bill,

You hit one of my "Hot" buttons. Go to Wikipedia or wherever and look up "concourse" vs. "concours"

[69boss429]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

The other problem I see is that you are asking above private party "concourse" pricing for a car that is not concourse level. Most who are willing to spend the big bucks, expect the car to be 100% stock. While yours is ultra clean, and tastefully modified, it is not anyone elses idea of the dream except yours as the owner. One day you'll understand what I am saying, but speaking with you last year at the LVSAAC show in Hershey(among other venues we were both at), you were still not ready to hear, or understand where I was coming from.

Respectfully submitted,


Bill S.

I've heard you on this subject before and you and I will continue to agree to disagree.
Except on the "Concours" issue as mark IV hits the nail on the head.A concourse is found at a mall or airport or other large public area and the term is constantly misused when describing a "Concours" restoration or something shown at a "Concours d' Elegance" event.

As far as pricing goes,there are few if any 1 owner Boss 429's and there were only 93 Raven Black ones that were built out of a total run in 1969 of 859 cars.
Can you say rare!
Even at my asking price of 265000,if one wanted to return it to "Concours " and have a trailer queen the total investement would still be in the market area.
Now if one wanted to purchase the car without the original parts that I would include I would price it at 250000 .By the way if you look at stock Boss parts prices are quite high.Just ask Steve Strange
I suspect that the original owners of modified Cobras that race them might see my point,that is to say performance and safety mods are reversible if that's what you want in a car.
One thing for sure is that they aren't making them anymore so values can still climb.IMHO
But, I didn't post here to argue numbers I came looking for a buyer.If one comes of it I will then have a Cobra to talk about.
But it won't be original and it won't be built to 60's specs.
It will be fast,safe as posible,and damn good looking.
I would however miss the Boss as there is never an instance of it drawing crowds whenever I take it out to a show or just for a cruise.You might ask why that is and I submit to you that unless you go to a Concours event you rarely see one in public

[mrmustang]

Yes, auto correct stinks, I'm surprised I got that much out of my one finger typing

Once the car is sold, it is no longer a one owner car, so that argument goes out the window. Same goes for originality in regards to your car. The high ticket BOSS 9 cars have all of the original parts installed. yes, to replace those parts and undo your customization is expensive. Since your car holds no current or past race records, that argument also gets thrown out as you are now comparing apples to grapefruits. Again, no offense, but you really cannot compare your car to a know famously owned car, or a car that is restored to 100% original. There is a reason why several BOSS 9's have sold recently (as late as last week in Delaware) and your car sits stagnant on the market. Again, your car is a stunning automobile, but there is not enough of a draw to it "as currently presented". . Steve was at last years show, as well as this years, we (he and I) and others have all discussed your car at length.....I'll leave it at that.

Again I do wish you the best of luck with your cars sale.

Sincerely,

Bill S.

Originally Posted by 69boss429

I've heard you on this subject before and you and I will continue to agree to disagree.
Except on the "Concours" issue as mark IV hits the nail on the head.A concourse is found at a mall or airport or other large public area and the term is constantly misused when describing a "Concours" restoration or something shown at a "Concours d' Elegance" event.

As far as pricing goes,there are few if any 1 owner Boss 429's and there were only 93 Raven Black ones that were built out of a total run in 1969 of 859 cars.
Can you say rare!
Even at my asking price of 265000,if one wanted to return it to "Concours " and have a trailer queen the total investement would still be in the market area.
Now if one wanted to purchase the car without the original parts that I would include I would price it at 250000 .By the way if you look at stock Boss parts prices are quite high.Just ask Steve Strange
I suspect that the original owners of modified Cobras that race them might see my point,that is to say performance and safety mods are reversible if that's what you want in a car.
One thing for sure is that they aren't making them anymore so values can still climb.IMHO
But, I didn't post here to argue numbers I came looking for a buyer.If one comes of it I will then have a Cobra to talk about.
But it won't be original and it won't be built to 60's specs.
It will be fast,safe as posible,and damn good looking.
I would however miss the Boss as there is never an instance of it drawing crowds whenever I take it out to a show or just for a cruise.You might ask why that is and I submit to you that unless you go to a Concours event you rarely see one in public

[Three Peaks]

Originally Posted by 69boss429

I've heard you on this subject before and you and I will continue to agree to disagree.
Except on the "Concours" issue as mark IV hits the nail on the head.A concourse is found at a mall or airport or other large public area and the term is constantly misused when describing a "Concours" restoration or something shown at a "Concours d' Elegance" event.

As far as pricing goes,there are few if any 1 owner Boss 429's and there were only 93 Raven Black ones that were built out of a total run in 1969 of 859 cars.
Can you say rare!
Even at my asking price of 265000,if one wanted to return it to "Concours " and have a trailer queen the total investement would still be in the market area.
Now if one wanted to purchase the car without the original parts that I would include I would price it at 250000 .By the way if you look at stock Boss parts prices are quite high.Just ask Steve Strange
I suspect that the original owners of modified Cobras that race them might see my point,that is to say performance and safety mods are reversible if that's what you want in a car.
One thing for sure is that they aren't making them anymore so values can still climb.IMHO
But, I didn't post here to argue numbers I came looking for a buyer.If one comes of it I will then have a Cobra to talk about.
But it won't be original and it won't be built to 60's specs.
It will be fast,safe as posible,and damn good looking.
I would however miss the Boss as there is never an instance of it drawing crowds whenever I take it out to a show or just for a cruise.You might ask why that is and I submit to you that unless you go to a Concours event you rarely see one in public

Not trying to pee on your cornflakes, but I am just curious where your valuation came from? Is that pricing from an appraiser or more of a "seat of the pants" sort of valuation? Since there are so few of some of these cars on the market at any time, I have always been curious how someone can place any sort of realistic price on them- unless the owner isn't really interested in selling- then just about anything goes I guess......

Bob