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Bartruff1 02-16-2014 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by fordracing65 (Post 1285731)
I'll give you a Tiger and raise you a Cobra...kids today don't even know what a Sunbeam is, Cobra a different story, Honda Civics will probably be worth more than a Tiger one day when all these rice burners grow up and make some money. Those will be the cars that remind them of their youth, lol lol...not a Tiger...
I think you are probably kidding.

Now I would be the first to admit that the muscle car market is a bubble that is fueled by demographics but there is a collector car market for cars based upon a number of factors like history, rarity, beauty, performance, ect...

The values of 20's cars is not fueled by people who remember them from their youth.... for example the Bentleys, the Rolls, the Duseys.... those cars are investments. When the music stops, I wouldn't want to have paid 2 million for a Hemi or a L88 or ....

I suspect the original Cobras, the SWB Ferraris, the 300sls ect will continue to appreciate and the Tiger will also..but because it has no significant race history, something like a Pantera. In any case, I think Rod is right that the Tiger is a original and will increase in value, I am not aware of any mass produced replica that has.

Of todays cars, the Ford GT, the Veyron, the F1, any factory team Corvette or Viper, some of the Caddies, Mercedes, Porsches ect.... it is possible that the 993 will be the 356 of the future.

One of my grandsons is going to get that SPF and if he doesn't kill himself, will have a lot of fun...but the one that gets the 110 hp restored 1959 356A will make some money.

The Civic...I think not.

AL427SBF 02-16-2014 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by buddyg (Post 1285197)
So for the amount of money I spent on buying my Cobra there is nothing else that would fit the bill.

I wanted something that would turn heads and this thing gets more attention than a Lamborghini or Ferrari. From young to old, everyone loves this car. You can't go anywhere without people wanting to talk to you about the car.

I wanted something I could take to car shows like the Woodward Dream Cruise and Metro Cruise. This car shines in those events.

I wanted something fast, fun and exhilarating. Check, check and check. Nothing like the side pipes singing in your ears at full throttle!

I wanted something I could take to the road course a couple times a year and the drag strip once or twice a year. Cobra is perfect for both uses.

It's a convertible which is a bonus.

There is just nothing for the money that has all these things like the Cobra!

I'm so glad to be back in the family!
:cool:
Then the alarm went off and the fantasy was over ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=kit+...w=1433&bih=787

Many kit cars/replicas achieve the same thing, yours just happens to have a cobra body on it :eek:

buddyg 02-16-2014 07:32 AM
Ooooh love the 32-33 Fords! Listen to each their own for me it's the Cobra. Now if I had big bucks you can be sure I would also own a Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, 67 Corvette, etc... I would have a warehouse full of cars and drive a different one each day.

Silversmith 02-16-2014 07:40 AM
This is a good thread, I've heard many different stories about the preferances of drivers here. Some prefer porsches, vettes, mustangs, bemmers, benz, prancing poneys, lambo's, bulls etc,etc! Some have more than a few in their garage. But dollar for dollar! No car (of any era) on Tara Firma can give you this many emotions :) :D :eek: %/ :mad: :cool: :JEKYLHYDE :p :( :o :CRY: :LOL: :MECOOL: in a shorter time frame than the AC Cobra! :D If you don't feel that in the marrow of your bones when pressing your AC down the strip, around the corners, track or streets. Or just cruzing the back roads or at the shows. Or even monkey wrenching parts; making mods, as all true hot rodders do! Then mabe the AC Cobra isn't for you. Thats ok! :rolleyes: Not many really get it; many perfer showing. :p Rather than living it! :D

:eek: WELCOME TO THE ADDICTION :eek:
:3DSMILE: THERE IS NO CURE :3DSMILE:

AL427SBF 02-16-2014 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Silversmith (Post 1285788)
This is a good thread, I've heard many different stories about the preferances of drivers here. Some prefer porsches, vettes, mustangs, bemmers, benz, prancing poneys, lambo's, bulls etc,etc! Some have more than a few in their garage. But dollar for dollar! No car (of any era) on Tara Firma can give you this many emotions :) :D :eek: %/ :mad: :cool: :JEKYLHYDE :p :( :o :CRY: :LOL: :MECOOL: in a shorter time frame than the AC Cobra! :D If you don't feel that in the marrow of your bones when pressing your AC down the strip, around the corners, track or streets. Or just cruzing the back roads or at the shows. Or even monkey wrenching parts; making mods, as all true hot rodders do! Then mabe the AC Cobra isn't for you. Thats ok! :rolleyes: Not many really get it; many perfer showing. :p Rather than living it! :D

:eek: WELCOME TO THE ADDICTION :eek:
:3DSMILE: THERE IS NO CURE :3DSMILE:
You need to get out more, the cobra is like a fine wine, and there are many fine wines out there :LOL:

fordracing65 02-16-2014 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartruff1 (Post 1285780)
I think you are probably kidding.

Now I would be the first to admit that the muscle car market is a bubble that is fueled by demographics but there is a collector car market for cars based upon a number of factors like history, rarity, beauty, performance, ect...

The values of 20's cars is not fueled by people who remember them from their youth.... for example the Bentleys, the Rolls, the Duseys.... those cars are investments. When the music stops, I wouldn't want to have paid 2 million for a Hemi or a L88 or ....

I suspect the original Cobras, the SWB Ferraris, the 300sls ect will continue to appreciate and the Tiger will also..but because it has no significant race history, something like a Pantera. In any case, I think Rod is right that the Tiger is a original and will increase in value, I am not aware of any mass produced replica that has.

Of todays cars, the Ford GT, the Veyron, the F1, any factory team Corvette or Viper, some of the Caddies, Mercedes, Porsches ect.... it is possible that the 993 will be the 356 of the future.

One of my grandsons is going to get that SPF and if he doesn't kill himself, will have a lot of fun...but the one that gets the 110 hp restored 1959 356A will make some money.

The Civic...I think not.
Really, how many people in the 1960's thought their Mustangs, Camaro, etc that they paid 3g for could and would sell for 50 60 100g, think about it again...Put it this way any car that was featured in the movies Fast and Furious in years to come will sell for big bucks and we will all say I had one of those Civic Evo's etc should have keep it cant believe it's worth 20 times it original price,lol lol...who ever thought a VW bus would ever be worth 100,000g...Barret Jackson did

Bartruff1 02-16-2014 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by fordracing65 (Post 1285791)
Really, how many people in the 1960's thought their Mustangs, Camaro, etc that they paid 3g for could and would sell for 50 60 100g, think about it again...Put it this way any car that was featured in the movies Fast and Furious in years to come will sell for big bucks and we will all say I had one of those Civic Evo's etc should have keep it cant believe it's worth 20 times it original price,lol lol...who ever thought a VW bus would ever be worth 100,000g...Barret Jackson did
Apparently I didn't make my point.....those are demographic plays, including the VW.... You can have the last word if you want it.

fordracing65 02-16-2014 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartruff1 (Post 1285780)
I think you are probably kidding.

Now I would be the first to admit that the muscle car market is a bubble that is fueled by demographics but there is a collector car market for cars based upon a number of factors like history, rarity, beauty, performance, ect...

The values of 20's cars is not fueled by people who remember them from their youth.... for example the Bentleys, the Rolls, the Duseys.... those cars are investments. When the music stops, I wouldn't want to have paid 2 million for a Hemi or a L88 or ....

I suspect the original Cobras, the SWB Ferraris, the 300sls ect will continue to appreciate and the Tiger will also..but because it has no significant race history, something like a Pantera. In any case, I think Rod is right that the Tiger is a original and will increase in value, I am not aware of any mass produced replica that has.

Of todays cars, the Ford GT, the Veyron, the F1, any factory team Corvette or Viper, some of the Caddies, Mercedes, Porsches ect.... it is possible that the 993 will be the 356 of the future.

One of my grandsons is going to get that SPF and if he doesn't kill himself, will have a lot of fun...but the one that gets the 110 hp restored 1959 356A will make some money.

The Civic...I think not.
Did you say the Tiger DOES NOT have any significant race History, you do know the first cars were built to and race in Le Mans, I think you need to learn a little more about the Tiger...

fordracing65 02-16-2014 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Bartruff1 (Post 1285792)
Apparently I didn't make my point.....those are demographic plays, including the VW.... You can have the last word if you want it.
That was my point demographics cars will have value later in life and if its a cult car it will have it even more, ie Civic... will they ever be worth 100,000 probably not, 30g maybe but they never sold new for that,...

Mother 02-16-2014 08:15 AM
I sold my Tiger on my 20th Birthday, in 1970. I was at the drags in Cayuga. I put the traction bars through the frame. My girlfriend who is now my wife of 43 years stated that the car had to go. I agreed with her, provideing I could own an AC Cobra 427 later in my life. She agreed. The car is now in my posession. I don't drag it, or race it. But for me it has been a life-time dream come true. Like a Triumph TR 5 IRS (the first Trumpet with the straight six) Awesome to own, but they rusted very fast, and there was not many made. Today those cars, restored are expensive. They also are rare as hens teeth.

Don 02-16-2014 08:17 AM
From a previous post:

" if you are thinking about a Porsche and you don't need a back seat to torture your children, take a look at a Cayman. "

The Cayman S I purchased is far beyond my expectations . However, it serves an entirely different personal desire, enjoyment and purpose than the Cobra which overall still receives far greater attention and recognition from the public . Yes, I do enjoy either locally or a week end drive the A/C, cup holder, PDK, navigation, FM, etc., etc. the Cayman S provides.

fordracing65 02-16-2014 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mother (Post 1285795)
I sold my Tiger on my 20th Birthday, in 1970. I was at the drags in Cayuga. I put the traction bars through the frame. My girlfriend who is now my wife of 43 years stated that the car had to go. I agreed with her, provideing I could own an AC Cobra 427 later in my life. She agreed. The car is now in my posession. I don't drag it, or race it. But for me it has been a life-time dream come true. Like a Triumph TR 5 IRS (the first Trumpet with the straight six) Awesome to own, but they rusted very fast, and there was not many made. Today those cars, restored are expensive. They also are rare as hens teeth.
Awesome story, do you know where your Tiger is today?

Bartruff1 02-16-2014 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by fordracing65 (Post 1285793)
Did you say the Tiger DOES NOT have any significant race History, you do know the first cars were built to and race in Le Mans, I think you need to learn a little more about the Tiger...
Yes I knew that , lined up right next to the Porsche team, and those cars are probably very valuable...but the ordinary customer car is not of a comparable value relative to a original Cobra customer car.

Precisely because " significant" is a better adjective for the race history of a Cobra or a SWB 250 Ferrari or a 911 Porsche or a Jag or a Aston ....all of which benefit from the win on Sunday sell on Monday theory....

IMHO...and that is all it is...I don't consider the Tiger's race history to be significant....perhaps you do and that is fine.....

I certainly appreciate your advice....yup....sure do...look, I will be happy to ignore you if you will grant me the same courtesy . I am not interested in a internet argument, I was just offering a opinion.

buddyg 02-16-2014 09:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don (Post 1285796)
From a previous post:

" if you are thinking about a Porsche and you don't need a back seat to torture your children, take a look at a Cayman. "

The Cayman S I purchased is far beyond my expectations . However, it serves an entirely different personal desire, enjoyment and purpose than the Cobra which overall still receives far greater attention and recognition from the public . Yes, I do enjoy either locally or a week end drive the A/C, cup holder, PDK, navigation, FM, etc., etc. the Cayman S provides.
Exactly totally different but both serve a purpose. The Cobra isn't a daily driver it's something you drive occasional but it's much more of an event when you do drive it.

My 911 is a phenomenal car but not that "Event" type of driving experience.

Silversmith 02-16-2014 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by AL427SBF (Post 1285789)
You need to get out more, the cobra is like a fine wine, and there are many fine wines out there :LOL:
Been there, (300 SEL, Porsche, Jag's etc.) done that! Thanks for your concern! :rolleyes: I have my wine of choice! This doesn't mean I may not pick up a Daytona, GT-40, FIA, slabside etc. someday for a change of pace. :cool: Someday? Mabe you too; will find your true calling. I'll drop a quarter in a wishing well for you! :LOL:

Bernica 02-16-2014 09:56 AM
I agree with the "bang for the buck" you get with the Cobra on many levels. Just polish yours up and take it to a nice hotel like the W or the Ritz Carlton and see where the valet has you park it. Right in front with the Aston and Bentley, the Rolls, the Lambo and the Ferrari (maybe a nice Porsche). Then watch the gawkers walk past all those other cars to get a look at the Cobra.;)

RodKnock 02-16-2014 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by buddyg (Post 1285768)
For ME there is nothing that gives me everything I'm looking for at that price. And yes I own multiple cars and for ME dollar for dollar nothing compares to my CTS-V for a four door luxury sedan. Go ahead and let's hear about your Mercedes or BMW. LOL
Again, the premise was a dollar for dollar comparison to a Cobra. There's nothing wrong with your choice, but you opened a thread and folks here are discussing alternatives. I think it's a great thread.

As for Cadillac, Mercedes and/or BMW, I'm not a fan of any of them, unless we're talking about vintage stuff like 300SL's, Gullwing's, 507's, etc. or even the E30 M3.

If we're talking vintage alternatives to the Cobra, then I think the best alternatives are the Sunbeam Tiger, 1965-1967 Big Block Corvette or maybe even a few musclecars like a '70 Cuda Convertible.

AL427SBF 02-16-2014 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Silversmith (Post 1285812)
... I have my wine of choice! This doesn't mean I may not pick up a Daytona, GT-40, FIA, slabside etc. someday for a change of pace. :cool: Someday? Mabe you too; will find your true calling. I'll drop a quarter in a wishing well for you! :LOL:
Thanks for making my point, even if you try something different as described above, your wine choices are from the same winery. You really DO need to get out more lol.

AL427SBF 02-16-2014 10:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by buddyg (Post 1285786)
Ooooh love the 32-33 Fords! Listen to each their own for me it's the Cobra. Now if I had big bucks you can be sure I would also own a Ferrari, Lambo, Aston, 67 Corvette, etc... I would have a warehouse full of cars and drive a different one each day.
Agree, also think this discussion should be a replica to replica comparison if you are talking true bang for the buck. Comparing a cobra replica to auto maker entries is apples and oranges as both serve two entirely different markets. Speaking of '33 fords, Factory Five has a nice little number that I'm sure performs quite well on the track and strip https://www.factoryfive.com/kits/33-hot-rod/

twin turbo 02-16-2014 10:44 AM
The thing I love about a Cobra replica is that you can set it up to be as mild or wild as you want. I wanted 9 second capable acceleration and be able to take a corner at speed. Combine that with looks that kill, great driving visibility, and an open air feeling of freedom that meets or exceeds my motorcycle riding days, it's nirvana. Cheers.


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