Used Superformance or New Backdraft from Vintage

[mnm99]

I was in the same boat. I almost pulled the trigger on the BDR. I was looking at around 50K with all the basics. Resale would go down as soon as I left the shop. I just picked up my Superformance, it was under 50K and has MANY extras. Supercharged, Softtop, cab cover, ceramic coated pipes, 2 sets of tires. Billboard are on it now and love them. and the list goes on......The only thing I'm fixing is the speedo. If you look around they are there...Best part is I have it for this summer

[Ace23]

Originally Posted by mnm99

I was in the same boat. I almost pulled the trigger on the BDR. I was looking at around 50K with all the basics. Resale would go down as soon as I left the shop. I just picked up my Superformance, it was under 50K and has MANY extras. Supercharged, Softtop, cab cover, ceramic coated pipes, 2 sets of tires. Billboard are on it now and love them. and the list goes on......The only thing I'm fixing is the speedo. If you look around they are there...Best part is I have it for this summer

Wow I haven't seen just a whole lot of SPF for under 50K. Most of the guys in around here seemed to have paid under 50K used but that was in the last 1-5 years. What kind of new BDR were you getting for 50K.....was it going to have a 302 in it or something?

[Grey 65]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Sir, u dont know when to stop typing. Being older & wiser dont mean u should be an asshle every day.

You wanna keep Cobras alive for another 60 more years? Not with your type of attitude it wont. Give it a rest, sir.

Again, i wish the original poster, ACE, the best on his new toy and many years of fun, safe driving. Hopefully he will pass on the cobra love to the next generation.

PM if u want the 'last word.' Let's return back to the tread. thk u.

best,
nyg

We are all still waiting for you to post the Year, Make and Model of your Cobra along with its specs.

We would also like pics of your car. We know it must be amazing due to the advice you spew out......

Kevin.....

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Ace23

Wow I haven't seen just a whole lot of SPF for under 50K. Most of the guys in around here seemed to have paid under 50K used but that was in the last 1-5 years. What kind of new BDR were you getting for 50K.....was it going to have a 302 in it or something?

The issue/problem is that the public never gets to see the final selling price of any non-eBay Cobra sale. I'm sure you can find SPF's for under $50,000. I vaguely remember MrMustang buying an ERA for under $40K (? or low $40's) that had an oil consumption issue, which was just an intake manifold gasket or whatever. Deals do happen with all these cars.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Sir, u dont know when to stop typing. Being older & wiser dont mean u should be an ...

I'm always shocked when RodKnock does what he does. Sometimes he seems so sharp, and then other times.... Oh well, what do I know.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I'm always shocked when RodKnock does what he does. Sometimes he seems so sharp, and then other times.... Oh well, what do I know.

Actually being called "older" hurts.

I think I'm pretty spry for my advanced age.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by Grey 65

We are all still waiting for you to post the Year, Make and Model of your Cobra along with its specs.

We would also like pics of your car. We know it must be amazing due to the advice you spew out......

Kevin.....

My Cobra is named Becky and she is amazing. Best of the fakes. She is pure virgin. Zero miles but plenty of daily smiles.

make: matchbox, USA
model: Shelby Cobra, blue with white stripes
Specs: I think it has a Chevy LS1 engine

best,
nyg

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by blykins

Ahem...

So what "simple cam change" adds 175 hp?

Talk to scottj, I'm just the messenger

Post #13
Ford engine cobra vs. Chevy engine cobra- race for bragging rights?

"Very true... crate LS7 with only a cam swap and tune making 682 hp. Turns 7400 rpm, will lug down the highway at 1500, and get 20 mpg city/hwy. For $895 Reher & Morrison CNC head porting adds another 45-50 hp..."

[blykins]

Yeah, not buying it.

[mnm99]

Originally Posted by Ace23

Wow I haven't seen just a whole lot of SPF for under 50K. Most of the guys in around here seemed to have paid under 50K used but that was in the last 1-5 years. What kind of new BDR were you getting for 50K.....was it going to have a 302 in it or something?

My calculations were $35900 car plus tax = 39800
Trans= 4000
Motor= 6000
Me doing all the work.. This is all on the bare minimum...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by blykins

Yeah, not buying it.

You gotta stop being so cynical. "You" could also lose 40lbs in 4 weeks. At least that's what the TV commercial says.

[Ace23]

Originally Posted by blykins

Yeah, not buying it.

My limited experience has been that the LS7 in a C6 Z06 makes a solid 540-590 RWHP on 93 octane with ported heads, a cam swap, and a ported intake. Not really sure how all that translates in a cobra drivetrain but that about all I know about them.....besides the fact I wouldn't mind owning one.

Originally Posted by mnm99

My calculations were $35900 car plus tax = 39800
Trans= 4000
Motor= 6000
Me doing all the work.. This is all on the bare minimum...

Oh okay that makes sense. Wasn't doubting you just running the numbers. Thanks

[blykins]

Yes sir, I could see that with worked heads, a cam change, and other work. However, pulling a 520 hp engine out of the crate, just changing cams, and getting 675 hp is not logical, especially when they peak at over 6000 to begin with.

[MEATMASTER]

Brent, The smaller diameter cam makes the engine rev faster. You should know that by now!

[Ace23]

Originally Posted by blykins

Yes sir, I could see that with worked heads, a cam change, and other work. However, pulling a 520 hp engine out of the crate, just changing cams, and getting 675 hp is not logical, especially when they peak at over 6000 to begin with.

Have a few friends with them they are some steam rollers for sure. I think those guys go to the 440 stroker setups and potentially a bit larger and see 620-640rwhp on E85. Anything I'm saying is based off a few friends that have them and then the millions of youtube dyno videos that exist. What a great motor but It would never find its way into a cobra of mine.

[itstock]

Speaking of the ls7, my old mans 08z just dropped a valve which resulted in a rod through the block. 100 percent stock and never tracked. 6 months out of warranty, and a known problem with the ls7. GM says too bad so far.

[blykins]

I have limited experience with them. Built a 402 inch LS2 that made a touch over 500 hp at the tires. It was done by 6100-6200 and the guy uses it to autocross. I have respect for the LS stuff, but I'm just not a Chevy fan in general.

[Dimis]

ACE,

Back to your SPF vs BDR - Specifically SBF vs BBF vs Coyote (that thread got shut down before I could play ).

Test driving each wont tell you everything with regard engine choice.
Just be mindful that something as subtle as tyres, or even the final gear ratio will make the "seat of the pants feel" very different, and incorrectly confirm a hypothesis or generalization.

Like I said earlier from what you have described, I get the impression that you aren't interested in ripping VC off, or tinkering with valves, or carbs or other, etc... So If I was in your position I would lean towards a BDR from Vintage with the COYOTE engine

As for your concern on how they sound... they all sound great

I dare say engine identification via sound, is a bit of a wank... 99.99% of the world's population wouldn't have a clue... and those that do, are most likely to be connoisseurs. They are likely to know your BDR aint a CSX3xxx, and are probably rev heads enough to be impressed you successfully fitted a new OEM motor in your new BDR.

Nothing against the SPF... but I see a BDR with a COYOTE in your future.

Again, this is just my take on you from your posts
Enjoy the hunt, its part of the fun.


PS: I wouldn't worry about the potential $$ lost either, the price rise will buffer that and the $10-$15k losses mentioned earlier on this thread are over many years. Just sayin'

[madmaxx]

don't worry about the price, find what you like and we can make the payments work....

[Kobura]

I admit that I haven't read this thread closely, but one of the arguing points seems to be the relative resale values of a BDR versus SPF. It makes sense that the SPF would warrant a higher asking price on the used Cobra market than a BDR because of the initial purchase price differential. But, I think that a Vintage BDR has an extra cache because of the true artistry that Brian performs with his engine installations. Under the hood, the Vintage BDRs are works of art. All of the wiring, hoses, and mechanical appendages of the engine are perfectly arranged, embellished with taste, and carefully installed. I look at my engine compartment with as much joy as the rest of the car. Therefore, I think that a used Vintage BDR would be worth more than a non-Vintage BDR which, in my case, is entirely academic as I am never going to sell mine.