Chevy in a Cobra

[Jamo]

Thx...coffee spewed on keyboard

[RodKnock]

Wait a second. Another poll? Are you people getting paid by the poll?

[Thor maine]

Bawhomp whomt blah whomp saac whomp whomp , whaaaaaaaa.

[buddyg]

Real1

Same crap yesterday
Same crap today
Same crap tomorrow

Blah, blah , blah

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by buddyg

Real1

Same crap yesterday
Same crap today
Same crap tomorrow

Blah, blah , blah

Second call...be nice.

Look, you have a choice...you don't have to read Evan's posts.

Evan, on the other hand, can't help himself.

[mdross1]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Second call...be nice.

Look, you have a choice...you don't have to read Evan's posts.

Evan, on the other hand, can't help himself.

We hear the first one,

Most certainly agree with the next two.

Seems we now have another way of belittling our replica members the Websters. This is not how we want to get along.

[REAL 1]

Gentlemen: I am not trying nor is it my intention to belittle anyone's car with Websters. However, you can not have it both ways by taking what you like from one standard and applying a different standard to something else just to make you feel better and at the same time demean something else or debased it without being unfair and inconsistent. That's the point I am trying to make clear but many of you only hear what you want to hear and either don't get it or do and don't care.

Mdross1 obviously finds the use of Websters insulting to define your cars. I get it. Just as Continuation owners are insulted (and they are as I get PMs from many) when you demean what they own by saying they are "only replicas", "the only real ones were in the 60s" etc..

The way this hobby and car and industry around it have changed and evolved and the publics misuse of the Webster's definition has developed SAACs definitions and categories are fair, correct and well reasoned to comport with existing facts and circumstances. You can't take what you like from SAAC and toss the out as to others.

I have no problem applying Websters to the Contiuation Cobras. But we then apply it to your cars and that you won't like.

Btw this topic is related to the OP and slid into when does a car with a Cobra body stop being a replica of a Cobra.

[OnyxRider]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Gentlemen: I am not trying nor is it my intention to belittle anyone's car with Websters. However, you can not have it both ways by taking what you like from one standard and applying a different standard to something else just to make you feel better and at the same time demean something else or debased it without being unfair and inconsistent. That's the point I am trying to make clear but many of you only hear what you want to hear and either don't get it or do and don't care.

Here goes nothing...

As I first stated KISS keep it simple stupid. So stupid here(me) by my definition:

This is my viewpoint and not trying to oppose others or demean them by dictionary quotes. I just can't argue with logic and such a well spoken man.

Cobra: 1960's roadster AC & Shelby....you know the history.

Now Real 1 by applying my simple but accurate definition you do not have a Cobra.

Do you have? Continuation/reissue I guess so.
Replica..not sure because you do have modern parts and not a copy of the original
Kit..not sure because I thought your model comes less engine and drivetrain.

So BIG no on yours being a Cobra. Just say Continuation Cobra because using Cobra is not accurate.

Also I have a whole four drawer cabinet on Cobras and in fact a small folder in there marked "other". I have literature of the copper Kirkham and a few other things of interest to me. Funny thing is we do have a Stallion but that is listed under Kellison and not Cobra or other.



Now I started this thread to point out your word usage when you are describing the definition of a Cobra and how far others are from YOUR definition. Read your words about "trying to demean" because that is exactly what you do. Just an observation.


And here's another observation.... you bring it to a personal level with insults. Just read your sentence below. You not only have to bring the language in this thread but you have to degrade and make a comment that it means less than O. Do you not know how to speak to people or about them. Once again trying to degrade someone by attempting to lift yourself up.

If you are going to act like a boy by playing in the sandbox as you say... PLEASE bring some sand because all I get from your posts is a bunch of hot air and slinging BS over and over again. And I guess you can't pull the "he insulted me first" card from up your sleeve as you usually do.

Real 1: "He is clearly entitled to his opinion. Just like a$$holes everyone has one. No issue with his opinion at all as that's all it is and means 0 to anyone but him and less then 0 to me."


Carry on

[buddyg]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Second call...be nice.

Look, you have a choice...you don't have to read Evan's posts.

Evan, on the other hand, can't help himself.

Yessum Boss, didn't think I was being mean but I shall cease and desist.

I'm sure Evan is a fine gentlemen, we just disagree on this issue. Evan anytime your in Western Michigan come on by and I will give you a ride in my

COBRA!

[AL427SBF]

Evan, if you can refute the below with "other" factual information, then please do so. No response in 12 hours constitutes your agreement to the stated understandings.
I use to do that a lot at work to keep things moving along

SAAC Registry
CSX Continuation Cobras: Current production Cobras built by Shelby to more less original standards delivered without engine and transmission.

Until the SAAC defines what motor or transmission must go into a CSX Continuation Cobra, a chevy powered automatic is just as valid as a Ford powered standard in a CSX Continuation Cobra. The only discriminator is that these rollers come from SAI.

Kit Car or Replica: Any Car with a body which approximates the original Cobra shape, using any kind frame, suspension, brakes or driveline.

Pretty much beat to death, if your body approximates the original Cobra shape you are in this category regardless of frame, suspension, brakes or driveline.

Webster's
rep·li·ca [rep-li-kuh]
noun
1. a copy or reproduction of a work of art produced by the maker of the original or under his or her supervision.
2. any close or exact copy or reproduction.

Definition 1 defaults to the SAAC definition of CSX Continuation Cobra as it was produced by the maker of the original or under his or her supervision. You get no relief from the chevy powered automatic, it is still a CSX Continuation Cobra. Definition 2 is of no help to anybody, what constitutes "close"? Without criteria to define "close", we are all left twisting in the wind to spin it anyway we want.

Live by the sword, die by the sword ...

[rodneym]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Until the SAAC defines what motor or transmission must go into a CSX Continuation Cobra, a chevy powered automatic is just as valid as a Ford powered standard in a CSX Continuation Cobra. The only discriminator is that these rollers come from SAI.

Well, if SAAC doesn't define the drivetrain, in effect not completely defining what a continuation Cobra is, then who does?

I suppose that would be us, the market!

Now, for all those who care to play, please list my three examples of contunation Cobras by how you (all of us) would value them in the market, from most expensive to least expensive. All rollers are otherwise optioned the same.

1) CSX4000/6000 with FE
2) CSX4000/6000 with Windsor
3) CSX4000/6000 with any other motor (Chevy BB, SB or Iron Duke )

One caviat, all motors would be the same vintage or quality of build. Not comparing a 390FE to a new Cup motor. All three examples would be original, or aftermarket aluminum, etc.

My list would be the order I placed them in.

I'm not trying to stir the pot. If SAAC doesn't define it, then we do with our wallets, no?

[dallas_]

Originally Posted by rodneym

My list would be the order I placed them in.

That would be my order also.
I expect a high percentage would vote likewise.

As many have said, cost is the primary (not the only!) reason for the other options.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by rodneym

Well, if SAAC doesn't define the drivetrain, in effect not completely defining what a continuation Cobra is, then who does?

I suppose that would be us, the market!

Now, for all those who care to play, please list my three examples of contunation Cobras by how you (all of us) would value them in the market, from most expensive to least expensive. All rollers are otherwise optioned the same.

1) CSX4000/6000 with FE
2) CSX4000/6000 with Windsor
3) CSX4000/6000 with any other motor (Chevy BB, SB or Iron Duke )

Agree, just like replicas you have good csx continuations, bad csx continuations and csx continuations somewhere in between

1) CSX4000/6000 with Windsor
2) CSX4000/6000 with Chevy SB, then BB
3) CSX4000/6000 with FE
4) CSX4000/6000 with any other motor

[rodneym]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Agree, just like replicas you have good csx continuations, bad csx continuations and csx continuations somewhere in between

I think we all could agree on that.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Agree, just like replicas you have good csx continuations, bad csx continuations and csx continuations somewhere in between

1) CSX4000/6000 with Windsor
2) CSX4000/6000 with Chevy SB, then BB
3) CSX4000/6000 with FE
4) CSX4000/6000 with any other motor

OMG, that's your sequential order of how you would value them? Seriously? Well, at least you're consistent. Actually, I'm quite surprised you listed the FE above the "with any other motor" category.

You do realize the market doesn't agree with you.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

OMG, that's your sequential order of how you would value them? Seriously? Well, at least you're consistent. Actually, I'm quite surprised you listed the FE above the "with any other motor" category.

You do realize the market doesn't agree with you.

Yes, I am quite aware of the ranking not in-line with "the market". The day "the market" trumps what I want (value) ... you might as well put a gun to my head. I'm not in this for the resale value, not even a remote consideration. I find it interesting that resale value seems to be a prerequisite for most in making a buying decision with this particular hobby

[Jerry Clayton]

I'd rather have Holley over Webster carbs any day---Never saw any Websters at any race----

[RodKnock]

I smell a poll coming.

There are more polls here than in a presidential election year.

[rodneym]

No need for a poll. YES or NO answers are ok, but some justifications would be better.

I'm feeling energized! Reliving the glory of my salad days.

We were the most pugnacious debating team around, the Devil's Advocates.

[Jamo]

Indeed...damn near as many as in Poland.