“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived and dishonest – but the myth – persistent, persuasive and unrealistic.”
I'll let the knowledgable historians sort out the ramblings of Mr. Kraus, but personally, I didn't buy my Cobra replica because of the racing history. I bought my Cobra because of the looks, the street cred and old movies like this:
I'll let the knowledgable historians sort out the ramblings of Mr. Kraus, but personally, I didn't buy my Cobra replica because of the racing history. I bought my Cobra because of the looks, the street cred and old movies like this:
CSX3285... it was THE star of the show in Hollywood Knights IMO!
Larry
That is Mr. Kraus' point of the article- people would rather believe in bullsheet than real facts.
You missed my point. Kraus talks about the Cobra's racing history.
1. That doesn't matter to me. Or how about "I don't care." Whatever works for you. The car is a beautiful work of art, IMO, and the 600+ HP in a 2,100 lb body doesn't hurt either.
2. Mr. Kraus is who exactly? One person who writes a blog on the Internet. Wow. Cool. BFD. BUY A SAAC WORLD REGISTRY VOLUME NO. 1 FOR $245 AND READ IT. And there are many other entire books on the subject by real experts. I'm not a historian, so I'll let any experts tackle questions of the Cobra's racing history.
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You missed my point. Kraus talks about the Cobra's racing history.
1. That doesn't matter to me. Or how about "I don't care." Whatever works for you. The car is a beautiful work of art, IMO, and the 600+ HP in a 2,100 lb body doesn't hurt either.
2. Mr. Kraus is who exactly? One person who writes a blog on the Internet. Wow. Cool. BFD. BUY A SAAC WORLD REGISTRY VOLUME NO. 1 FOR $245 AND READ IT. And there are many other entire books on the subject by real experts. I'm not a historian, so I'll let any experts tackle questions of the Cobra's racing history.
Gee I wanted to recommend the Registry as an authoritative source but you beat me to it!
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That is Mr. Kraus' point of the article- people would rather believe in bullsheet than real facts.
I think the article is skewed. Not from a factual standpoint of finishing positions in particular races in the FIA series but totally misses out on the entire Cobra story and picture. Many books have been written on the subject that set out the Cobra story, battles, failures, trials, tribulations, victories not only in FIA but USRRC, SCCA and outright performance of the the car accomplishished by a former chicken farmer and California hot rodders using an outdated chassis with buggy springs and American pig iron for power vs the might, cutting edge tecnology, and political clout of Ferrari. A real David and Goliath tale. I recommend the "Cobra Ferrari Wars". Very good read. Start with that one.
Enzo stole the '64 FIA season with his race canceling stunt denying Shelby a likely victory sparking Shelby's famous remark "Next year Ferrari's ass is mine". Enzo had no interest in racing the GTO in GT again in '65 knowing he would likely lose to the Cobras. Enzo didn't like playing without a stacked deck. If Enzo couldn't win he didn't play. He in essence threw in the towel and ceded victory to Shelby in '65.
The Cobra lore and legend is well desrverved and hard-won. It is a true & real Americana story of guts, grit and determination.
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Ok, let me type this slow so you can understand it:
Brent,
Go build that 496 and post everything (including the power rating when NOT RUNNING), instead of trying to educate the kindergarten.
You've tried to explain this countless times to the same guy(s) and your mistake is you're not writing with crayons.
Seriously, give us some hard-core tech and maybe Ron / Jamo will spare us this endless SBF / BBF and inane questions BS.
I have 3 FE builds coming up that I'll be sharing....the 496, a 427, and a 527 inch cammer. I'll be more than happy to discuss the technical aspects of each if we could get some good dialogue going. Club Cobra deserves more than these asinine polls and threads about real/fake Cobras, SB/BB, and Ford vs. Chevy.
Most excellent.
I assure you with me here, and your paying customers you'll have meaningful technical dialog. And we'll learn a ton if we're paying attention.
I'm crazy for all of them but the 427 (SO I hope) has my heart. Mine is still original 4.230...Love to see you get 1.4 on pump gas. You need the right customers for real power-like the 496 guy who wants a top end motor and no pansy cruising at 1800. I'd kill to see you pull 700 at 10.8. Bruce with #3170 has a Kinetic 496 which does over 700-be interesting to compare.
Bring it on Brento!
I have 3 FE builds coming up that I'll be sharing....the 496, a 427, and a 527 inch cammer.
The 527ci Cammer is the one I want to hear about. That's a build, I could see myself doing in the future. That's why I was asking on another thread about max ci's for Pond and Shelby blocks.
The 527ci Cammer is the one I want to hear about. That's a build, I could see myself doing in the future. That's why I was asking on another thread about max ci's for Pond and Shelby blocks.
I'll be sure to cover that one then.
The displacement will depend on whether you want an aluminum block, cast iron block, and whether you want to donate extra cash to a custom crankshaft.
The Shelby blocks come in two flavors, small bore and big bore. They are only offered in aluminum, and the big bore block will go up to the 4.375-4.400 range.
Pond aluminum blocks will go to a max of 4.310.
Pond cast iron blocks will go to a max of 4.400.
RPM crankshafts offer a forged crank with a 4.375 stroke. I think you can go a tad bit longer on the stroke since there's not a pesky camshaft for the connecting rods to bump into, but if you wanted to go that route, it would be a custom piece from Scat or another manufacturer.
With off the shelf parts, you have the potential for a 532 inch engine.
I posted this piece because I thought there would be some discussion of some of the more important Cobras. But I see some will talk about anything other than the original post. Actually I think the author had some pics of Cobras and decided to do a piece on what he had. I just think when it came to the Continuations not much space to write and what was written not very good.
What do you think are significant Cobras.
Since real1 mentioned Turd(fliptop)lol I thought that may be one of them.
What about the newer version of the Cobra built by Ford?
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