This is What Pisses me Off!!!!!!

[Large Arbor]

While I concur with the misleading advertising being wrong, I would not let this post bother me. Seems to me that the originals are certainly museum pieces and works of art that are best parked and not ran and appreciated for what they are. Todays replicas are mostly built very well and in many cases even better than the originals. The Kirkhams are beautiful vehicles.

Phil

[4pipes]

My 482 from Tom (FE Specialties) peaked at 625 ft-lbs.

[RET_COP]

What happens when you type in 32 ford for sale!
As long as the first sentence is Built By ... ERA, B&B. Backdraft ect, i would be alright with it.

[Dominik]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

NO WHERE IS THERE A KIRKHAM, REPLICA, OR CONTINUATION IN THE TITLE!!!

It's even worse in Germany. They make you believe that SPF Cobras, while somehow authorized by Ol' Shel because after sueing each other they actually struck a deal, are Real Shelby Cobras. 60s models, of course.

Yes, I know, CSX4000 cars are also built there in St. Albans, SA, or are they?

[FatBoy]

Originally Posted by OnyxRider

I'm leaving for the Montreal F1 race and I check out Hemmings posts of the day. In the corner is an ad for this Cobra. See this is what pisses me off big time....see the title description.... 1965 SHELBY COBRA 427 SHELBY SEMI COMPETITON

NO WHERE IS THERE A KIRKHAM, REPLICA, OR CONTINUATION IN THE TITLE!!!


This is why guys should be descriptive of what they have and not just post Cobra in a for sale ad.


What the hell is this Cobra anyway? Obviously reading it it is built by Kirkham. Oh it was built by a celebrity CEO or do you mean for one.

Built above a CSX continuation cobra standards....



Nice looking Kirkham.....I guess but not a 1965 Shelby Cobra as title states.


1965 Shelby Cobra 427 Shelby Semi Competition for sale | Hemmings Motor News



Wasting time reading that when in a rush...wasting time writing this...wasting your time reading this.

I'm sorry, but I fail to understand why people are getting so hot under the collar over this. No one is going to buy it having only read the title and the text clearly states what it actually is.

Paul

[SKINNEDR]

Waste of energy!

[Jamo]

Hmmmm...damn near as much as posting that it is, me thinks.

[SKINNEDR]

I totally agree!
I wasted my own time...
First thing you said correctly this year..

[Jamo]

Well, thanks for your participation these past couple of days.

[PatBuckley]

If it isn't a car built by Shelby then it is a copy.

Then or now and all the years in between. Period.

Evan is correct, the rest of you are just full of sour grapes because you can't afford a real one.

I have owned a kit (ERA535) and a copy (KMP185) and actually felt better about driving the kit, it felt a lot more honest than a car that was such an obvious copy.

Then again, I love golf, a sport for those of us who are coordinated and built more athletically and who prefer to get out there and participate rather than sit on the couch and watch or pontificate from the safety of a keyboard.

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by PatBuckley

If it isn't a car built by Shelby then it is a copy.

Then or now and all the years in between. Period.

I'm sure you are not including the AC Cobras completed by AC Cars Ltd in the 60's that were sold to customers outside the USA as being copies, right?

[REAL 1]

No I think that was likely an oversight but I let him clarify.

In the end the SAAC Registry sets it all out clearly, distinctly and with explanation. It is the authoritative position. However, for those that don't like facts, law and authoritative sources clouding personal opinion there is the CC peanut gallery position.

[PatBuckley]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

No I think that was likely an oversight but I let him clarify.

In the end the SAAC Registry sets it all out clearly, distinctly and with explanation. It is the authoritative position. However, for those that don't like facts, law and authoritative sources clouding personal opinion there is the CC peanut gallery position.

My apologies to Evan and A-Snake, I should have been more specific.

RodKnock - After I stopped racing cars, I needed something challenging to do and discovered golf to be extremely challenging. I play about 5 times a week.

Oh, please stop putting words in my mouth. I think it is weird that you can't read something and understand it!

I do realize that we aren't all cut out of the same cloth, feel free to pursue whatever activities that appeal to you.....

[GeorgiaSnake]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

No I think that was likely an oversight but I let him clarify.

In the end the SAAC Registry sets it all out clearly, distinctly and with explanation. It is the authoritative position. However, for those that don't like facts, law and authoritative sources clouding personal opinion there is the CC peanut gallery position.

Looks more like just a bunch of guys pontificating and trying to make what they own more valuable. Real - fake - clone - as Hillary would say "What difference at this point does it make?”

They are cars and as such meant to be driven and enjoyed. Standing in the parking lot looking at your car as you pull on your pecker and discuss pedigree is crazy. Get in the thing and drive

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by PatBuckley

If it isn't a car built by Shelby then it is a copy.

Then or now and all the years in between. Period.

Evan is correct, the rest of you are just full of sour grapes because you can't afford a real one.

I have owned a kit (ERA535) and a copy (KMP185) and actually felt better about driving the kit, it felt a lot more honest than a car that was such an obvious copy.

Then again, I love golf, a sport for those of us who are coordinated and built more athletically and who prefer to get out there and participate rather than sit on the couch and watch or pontificate from the safety of a keyboard.

I'll ignore the copy, clone, replication, recreation, reproduction, geniune, real, original nonsense, but "golf is a sport for those of us who are coordinated and built more athletically and who prefer to get out there and participate rather than sit on the couch and watch or pontificate from the safety of a keyboard"?

Someone is pontificating that golf is a sport and for those who are built more athletically. Have you been to golf course? Really?

Walking, swinging a golf club and driving a golf cart around while drinking beer for 18 holes is definitely a sport for the athletically coordinated and "built."

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by PatBuckley

I have owned a kit (ERA535) and a copy (KMP185) and actually felt better about driving the kit, it felt a lot more honest than a car that was such an obvious copy.

I think this statement is weird. As a Kirkham owner, he felt less honest?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I think this statement is weird. As a Kirkham owner, he felt less honest?

It had nothing to do "honesty" I'm sure. There is a stark difference between opinion and honesty. He had his opinion way back when and now sees it the way he sees it I guess.

Could be he now concurs with the Registry. Certainly on sound ground with that.

[lovehamr]

Well, he also galled the GAME of golf a sport so............

[Nedsel]

Damn, this gets tiring.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Damn, this gets tiring.

With all due respect... I think its therapeutic.
...At least to those same protagonists that continually post spouting the same message.



For mine - There are "facts" and there are "beliefs".

"Facts" can create a "belief" (eg: Evan & the SAAC Registry, or religions).

BUT

Equally "beliefs" can also create a "fact" (eg: Cobras are cobras cos they look like cobras, and everyone(else except for Evan's crew) calls "cobras", or again religions).

No fact can ever change one's belief.
There are many thesis and philosophical discussion done on this stuff... It's akin to "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".


PS: Moderators can now close this thread 'cos of politics and NOW Religion...