Replica or real? [help request from Switzerland and Italy]

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Folks, the forgone conclusion is that the car is indeed a Kirkham.


What more really needs to be said.


Bill S.

Bill,

You seem to have a good grasp of how to register Cobra replicas, at least in the states. If this car has a title that looks to be less than legitimate, perhaps you might have an opinion on how easily this car might be sold and registered somewhere in Europe or perhaps it might be easier to sell it in the states. Might you suggest removing the aluminum plate covering the Kirkham number (assuming they did not grind the Kirkham number off).

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Bill,

You seem to have a good grasp of how to register Cobra replicas, at least in the states. If this car has a title that looks to be less than legitimate, perhaps you might have an opinion on how easily this car might be sold and registered somewhere in Europe or perhaps it might be easier to sell it in the states. Might you suggest removing the aluminum plate covering the Kirkham number (assuming they did not grind the Kirkham number off).

The issue with titling the car overseas depends on the local providential government body. Each town has it's own rules and regulations in areas like Switzerland, Austria, certain parts of Spain (Madrid for example). One local rule does not supersede another. In this case the owner (OP) has a fraudulent (IE: not a real title, but something conjured up from a LaserJet printer) California title, so technically he has no ownership papers to prove he actually owns what he is in possession of.

As for the original poster attempting to circumnavigate his local laws by using said fraudulent paperwork, that is the risk alone he will have to decide to take and potentially lose the car to government inpoundment, forfeiture , and destruction. Sounds almost impossible, ask Mr Muck, I'm sure he can fill you in on at least one or two that have been crushed.

Bill S.

PS: No beef with anyone, just hate for anyone to get sucked in to such an issue years down the road by reading this thread.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

The issue with titling the car overseas depends on the local providential government body. Each town has it's own rules and regulations in areas like Switzerland, Austria, certain parts of Spain (Madrid for example). One local rule does not supersede another. In this case the owner (OP) has a fraudulent (IE: not a real title, but something conjured up from a LaserJet printer) California title, so technically he has no ownership papers to prove he actually owns what he is in possession of.

As for the original poster attempting to circumnavigate his local laws by using said fraudulent paperwork, that is the risk alone he will have to decide to take and potentially lose the car to government inpoundment, forfeiture , and destruction. Sounds almost impossible, ask Mr Muck, I'm sure he can fill you in on at least one or two that have been crushed.

Bill S.

PS: No beef with anyone, just hate for anyone to get sucked in to such an issue years down the road by reading this thread.

Bill,

I don't get the impression that the original poster is attempting to circumnavigate his local laws by using fraudulent paperwork. I think he is trying to determine what kind of Cobra replica he has and along the way, we have figured out that he appears to have fraudulent paperwork. With that being the case, perhaps the best course of action would be to sue the person he acquired the car from as opposed to trying to sell the car?

[Buzz]

I agree with 1ntCobra. That's a hell of a statement considering that nowhere in his postings does the original poster indicate that intent. He is doing the right thing by asking questions about what he has in his possession. As for the part about people getting sucked into this years down the road by reading this thread - I really don't get that either.

[HealeyRick]

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Bill,

I don't get the impression that the original poster is attempting to circumnavigate his local laws by using fraudulent paperwork. I think he is trying to determine what kind of Cobra replica he has and along the way, we have figured out that he appears to have fraudulent paperwork. With that being the case, perhaps the best course of action would be to sue the person he acquired the car from as opposed to trying to sell the car?

Davide,

It appears likely this car was given a false paper trail in order to be admitted into the EU as an "oldtimer" that was previously registered and titled in the U.S. to avoid import, emissions and registration restrictions. Other than satisfying your curiosity, trying to track down who is responsible for the deed may not be the best use of your resources. You received something of value that appears to be not what it was represented. It's time to talk to an attorney and discuss your options of recovery from the person from whom you received the car.

Best of luck,