Why??

Boon · #1 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 01:12 PM

Why do I see so many small block builds? Nothing better than the sound of a big block in a Cobra.
Why do I see so many cars for sale with low miles? Are people just building them for the fun of the build? Or does an owner just get tired of driving the coolest hot rod ever designed?

itstock · #2 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 02:13 PM

I consider weather a huge factor for low miles. And the fact that it isn't a car that a lot of us can just hop in and drive every day, a rough/brutal ride on a lot of daily commute routes, the smell of gas/no cats, 2 seats, no heat/ac, and again, questionable weather (no roof). It's a weekend car for the most part.

Many of use do small blocks because not only are they slightly lighter, but they make the same power cubic inch to cubic inch and dollar to dollar. If you want to do a big block, go ahead and do a big block.

Lastly, these topics have been beat to death. Look around.

Boon · #3 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 02:21 PM

I can understand both those answers. I don't plan on racing a car, just driving on our twisting Ozark roads. And kick some a** on the street. I just love the sound of a 427 or 428. To me that sound just fits the Cobra. Not taking anything away from all the other engine combos. Its just MHO.

1795 · #4 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 02:24 PM

I think another factor related to small block versus big block is availability. When I was first looking to build a cobra it was difficult finding a big block, while at the same time I was tripping over small blocks.

Regarding mileage, there are probably several factors that come into play. One factor may be that people find them to be less comfortable and more difficult to get in and out of than their daily driver. Weather tends to be a factor for some people, and still others really only wanted one to say that they heave one.

I drive mine as much as I can, it is a fun drive. It helps that my kids are out of the house, not a very practical family car...

Boon · #5 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 02:35 PM

To me, tops on a Cobra are like tits on a bull. So I can understand the weather issue. My thinking is that there are a lot of guys out there that just like building them. Drive them for a few months and start another build.

patrickt · #6 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon

Drive them for a few months and start another build.

No, most of the guys (but not all) that get rid of their Cobra, relatively quickly, do so because they find out that the Cobra is not what they thought it would be. They are a PITA car. You have to actually like a PITA car in order to be a long time Cobra owner. Big blocks are a bigger PITA than small blocks. The only difference between a big block and a small block is weight and sound. I have probably heard a million small blocks and they never sound like big blocks -- but there are tons of small blocks out there that weigh way less, and make way more power, than big blocks. And it's true, nice vintage 427/428 blocks are getting harder to find and they always cost more to build.

LMH · #7 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 03:23 PM

Not all the models are big block cars.
Larry

601HP · #8 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by patrickt

No, most of the guys (but not all) that get rid of their Cobra, relatively quickly, do so because they find out that the Cobra is not what they thought it would be. They are a PITA car. You have to actually like a PITA car in order to be a long time Cobra owner. Big blocks are a bigger PITA than small blocks. The only difference between a big block and a small block is weight and sound. I have probably heard a million small blocks and they never sound like big blocks -- but there are tons of small blocks out there that weigh way less, and make way more power, than big blocks. And it's true, nice vintage 427/428 blocks are getting harder to find and they always cost more to build.

Well said.

I considered bailing out of my ownership in the 3rd year. But as I eliminated the 'pains' (there were more than a few) the car began growing on me. Now into the 21st year.

David

Boon · #9 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 04:13 PM

Why do you say they are a PITA patrickt?

patrickt · #10 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 04:23 PM

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Why do you say they are a PITA patrickt?

They are a nuisance to 1) build 2) register with the DMV 3) insure 4) they break down just sitting in the garage 5) you hurt after driving them for more than an hour 6) parts are hard to find 7) parts are ridiculously expensive 8) if you have to put the top up it takes half an hour 9) a dog's breath is hotter than the heater 10) they break down a lot 11) they break down all the time 12) they break down daily, and so on....

Large Arbor · #11 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 04:26 PM

I think that it really comes down to costs. Small blocks are cheaper. Having said that, I am waiting on a stub axle replacement . Waiting when its perfect driving weather is a PITA. Having said that, I run a 427 bored to 468 and love it. Lots of power, incredible sound, scares cats, women, and small children. I have road in and drove both, but in some areas there is no substitute for cubic inches.

Phil

Boon · #12 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 04:35 PM

I'm going to assume you do not own a Cobra at this time then patrickt.

itstock · #13 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by patrickt

They are a nuisance to 1) build 2) register with the DMV 3) insure 4) they break down just sitting in the garage 5) you hurt after driving them for more than an hour 6) parts are hard to find 7) parts are ridiculously expensive 8) if you have to put the top up it takes half an hour 9) a dog's breath is hotter than the heater 10) they break down a lot 11) they break down all the time 12) they break down daily, and so on....

Great reasons to build a small block.

patrickt · #14 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon

I'm going to assume you do not own a Cobra at this time then patrickt.

I've had ERA732 going on nine years now. At this very moment she's less than ten feet away from me.

Boon · #15 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 04:55 PM

Then why the hell are you complaining so much. Are you trying to discourage future car owners or something. Damn. I'm not worried about maintain a vehicle. If I can maintain a Vietnam era helicopter than a Cobra shouldn't be a problem. I guess some people may think that they can build something and its gonna be perfect from then on. They may not appreciate the journey just focusing on the ride.

patrickt · #16 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon

Then why the hell are you complaining so much. Are you trying to discourage future car owners or something. Damn. I'm not worried about maintain a vehicle. If I can maintain a Vietnam era helicopter than a Cobra shouldn't be a problem. I guess some people may think that they can build something and its gonna be perfect from then on. They may not appreciate the journey just focusing on the ride.

If a Cobra is really for you, then no discouragement will ever get in the way or stop you. If it's not, then I'm doing you a huge favor.

601HP · #17 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon

Why do you say they are a PITA patrickt?

Because he has "walked the walk." So have a lot of us. Below is my most recent endeavor to keep my car roadworthy.

Just this week I needed to find a replacement suspension part for the right side of my car. Between me and a Cobra builder who is good at 'networking', just one NOS part was located in the U.S. We bought it.

I also decided I'd replace the same component on the left side suspension. Again, just one NOS part was located in the U.S. We bought it. This 2nd part wasn't even located in the same area of the U.S. as the first part I bought.

Why are these parts so scarce? These donor parts for my car were previously "used". They had been sourced as donor parts for my car back in 1994, by the kit manufacturer. The donor vehicle for these two parts: a 1970 Galaxie. There may be more of these NOS parts available somewhere, but probably through someone who knows someone who MAY have one.

When each of these two newly purchased parts are received, they must be modified before fitted to my Cobra.

This website can provide a plethora of info for a new Cobra enthusiast. Your rebuttals come across in a somewhat inflammatory style.

David

LMH · #18 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Boon

Then why the hell are you complaining so much. Are you trying to discourage future car owners or something. Damn. I'm not worried about maintain a vehicle. If I can maintain a Vietnam era helicopter than a Cobra shouldn't be a problem. I guess some people may think that they can build something and its gonna be perfect from then on. They may not appreciate the journey just focusing on the ride.

I think we have a troll!
Larry

CHANMADD · #19 (**permalink**) 10-11-2014, 07:09 PM

Well 25 yrs ..almost and I still I drive my car .When I first built it , every ball joint ,bushing , gasket seal ,was replaced .Close to 60000 miles and the chassis is all still original. The current interior is the third, all different. The current is more modern , but very comfortable.The seats are heated, and with a jacket and hoody even winter rides are ok.(I know , it's California).The soft takes a couple of minutes to erect.At one point this car was my car , and I commuted in it for a couple years.It's just a lekker car.....

Snake2998 · #20 (**permalink**) 10-12-2014, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by patrickt

They are a nuisance to 1) build 2) register with the DMV 3) insure 4) they break down just sitting in the garage 5) you hurt after driving them for more than an hour 6) parts are hard to find 7) parts are ridiculously expensive 8) if you have to put the top up it takes half an hour 9) a dog's breath is hotter than the heater 10) they break down a lot 11) they break down all the time 12) they break down daily, and so on....

I've had my Cobra on the road for 20 odd years - hasn't broken down once in that time - I don't know how many miles it's done as I never connected up the speedo but would guess at around 50 000 miles - had one flat when someone kicked the valve off the rim at a supermarket parking lot but it wasn't a big problem as the tyre only half deflated so could drive it to the nearest tyre shop to get the valve replaced.

The only problems I had where normal replacement parts - Spark plugs, battery, belts etc.

My wife built the motor for me and we both built the car on a tight budget.

So - why are your cars so unreliable if my economically built car is not? Although that might change now as I have a professionally built motor in it with home designed EFI. I am expecting major teething problems with this.

I agree with the comments regarding weather proofing as I try never to drive it in rain - but that's mainly because of traction issues and the risk of aquaplaning on the very wide and low loaded tyres. Also, in the strong South Easter winds that are common in Cape Town in summer, part of the route from my home sometimes has a 6' high cloud of beach sand blowing across the road that blasts you and the car from the side making it very unpleasant for the 10 or 15 seconds it takes to get through.