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12-19-2014, 12:21 PM
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Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Stoneville,NC,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Factory 5 mk4 445 FE
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FE Cobras with Power steering ?
Are any of you guys running power steering with your FE. I plan on doing this and some have told me the steering shaft gets in the way. I'm thinking there must be a way to, with different brackets to pull this off. Or maybe its not a issue at all. Pictures would be great if you have any.
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12-19-2014, 12:28 PM
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Join Date: May 2010
Location: Birmingham,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham 289 FIA, 363 Stroker
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An alternative would be to install an electric power steering system. Some people on the mustang forum are doing it with an electric system off of some type of European car...can't remember the name of it currently.
American powertrain sells units for sixties Mustangs and Corvettes, but they are very expensive. Doesn't really apply here, but if you look at the pictures on their webpage it will give you an idea of what all you need. I'll do my best to find the link to the discussion on the vintage mustang forum.
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12-19-2014, 02:29 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Little Rock area,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA Street Roadster #782 with 459 cu in FE KC engine, toploader, 3.31
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Are you really sure you need power steering? The steering on my iron head 428 ERA is really pretty light, even at a standstill. I have to make a 90 degree sharp turn into my garage and it cranks right around with little effort and I'm not a young guy. Compared to my manual steering aluminum head BB Corvette, it's probably on the order of 60% of it's effort.
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12-19-2014, 04:15 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Toledo,
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What?????
You are joking
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12-19-2014, 08:49 PM
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Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Stoneville,NC,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Factory 5 mk4 445 FE
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I have driven a real Cobra and many fake ones... and one with power steering... Yea, I'm a fan of Ps.
A little to pricey but..
Electric Power Steering for Vintage and Race Cars | eBay |
12-20-2014, 08:54 AM
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Power steering
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Originally Posted by RACERAL
Are any of you guys running power steering with your FE. I plan on doing this and some have told me the steering shaft gets in the way. I'm thinking there must be a way to, with different brackets to pull this off. Or maybe its not a issue at all. Pictures would be great if you have any.
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I have installed power steering with the pump mounted to the LH cylinder head.
I designed a bracket and spacers to position the pump so that a 6 groove belt would align with a crank nose mounted pulley. I have a 65 amp Toyota Alternator mounted on the RH cylinder head like a stock Cobra and the belt picks up the crank pulley and stock water pump pulley. There is a 3rd belt rearward of the balancer that drives the dry sump pump. I used an Appleton rack modified for position and bump steer and a stock GM remote reservoir power steering pump. My steering is a little less that 1 turn lock to lock with 6 degrees of caster so non assisted steering is out of the question. The only thing I don't like is that if I blow an alternator belt I have to remove the power steering belt to fix it. It blows belts if it hits the rev limiter above 8000 so not a huge problem. The Appleton rack works with standard Cobra steering shaft except for the last u joint down which was redesigned to mate with the Appleton unit. My rack is right next to the radiator so I don't think an electric rack would package but am not sure.
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12-20-2014, 09:09 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Dallas,
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR track car, SL-C track car
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Al,
Fast Freddie's Fabrications has an electric power steering kit also. A bit pricey but has some advantages over the belt drive units. |
12-20-2014, 04:55 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Gurnee,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #259
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Before you go to power steering......
Check your bump steer then read this.....
Talk@CobraRegistry.com
Then figure out what you need to do.....
Morris
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12-21-2014, 04:49 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: New Britain,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Size 10 Feet
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We installed an electric booster on one car whose owner had some physical limitations. It was similar to the one described above. Boost was manually controlled by a switch under the dash. They were happy with it. Unfortunately, I haven't found a reasonably-priced system that was automatically speed controlled, like is integrated into some current production cars.
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12-21-2014, 08:57 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Meriden,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 427 SC s/n 718, 428 FE
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I've often thought about having power steering on my ERA. I use the large 16" steering wheel and would enjoy a light power assist. I also run vintage New England modifieds with PS and there are some small race pumps available (Speedway catalog) that may work on the FE. If I try it I'll report on it.
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12-21-2014, 01:34 PM
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Location: New Britain,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Size 10 Feet
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On an ERA, the pump is not the biggest problem. We use a shortened Mustang gear (made by Flaming River) which, as far as I know, doesn't have a power option. The only real, practical solution is an in-line booster. We just need someone to come up with a speed-controlled boost like on a production car. Now they are all (as far as I know) manually controlled.
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12-22-2014, 03:07 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Meriden,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 427 SC s/n 718, 428 FE
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Doesn't the Flaming River rack interchange with the Mustang II unit?
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12-22-2014, 03:46 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Leicestershire,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #523, 427 S/O
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I've read and heard great things about EZ Power Steering.
They've fitted their systems to all manner of classic cars.
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12-22-2014, 04:56 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Brunswick,
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Cobra Make, Engine: BDR 1311 428PI
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I'm running a GM type II PS pump on my FE using brackets from Unisteer. The brackets are simple, strong and keep the pump close to the engine which was very important in my BDR. My setup looks almost just like this:
The application for the pump and reservoir are a multitude of mid 90s Chevy products like Cavaliers etc. That diagonal cut that you see in the right side of the reservoir functions perfectly to clear my steering shaft. Really, it looks like it was made for it. I bought my pump from a local parts store then used Unisteer's brackets and pulley. In retrospect I should've just gotten the whole thing from them, the cost would have been a wash.
Big Block Ford-390, 427, 428/Clip-on Reservoir Pump Kit - Unisteer Performance
Then I had a local hydraulic hose place make the hoses to connect the GM pump, hung on the Ford FE to the BMW PS rack.
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12-23-2014, 07:47 PM
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Location: Stoneville,NC,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Factory 5 mk4 445 FE
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That is a nice setup. I like it. It appears the bracket is on the pump, right?
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12-24-2014, 05:14 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ZOERA-SC7XX
Doesn't the Flaming River rack interchange with the Mustang II unit?
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No. It is 3" shorter. Flaming River part number FR1502-3X3. The most economical way to get the best bump-steer curve. Originally the car was designed around a Subaru rack, but after 30 years they are no longer available. |
12-24-2014, 06:00 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RACERAL
That is a nice setup. I like it. It appears the bracket is on the pump, right?
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Yup, you can buy the bracket and pulley separately but after doing that I wouldn't again. I'd just buy their "Low Flow" pump setup with everything. |
12-24-2014, 06:10 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville,
SC
Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-FIA, 66 mustang convertible, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
Posts: 12,627
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As far as brackets and pumps go (they do not list for BB Ford in their catalog, but I have used their products on FE motors in the past), check out Jones Racing products:
Jones Racing Products, Inc.
Bill S.
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12-24-2014, 06:53 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Leicestershire,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #523, 427 S/O
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The EZ Power Steering is electric and uses your existing steer column, shafts and rack. No need for pumps, or reservoirs.
Paul
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