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Old 01-10-2015, 08:01 AM
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Interesting. In the past, I thought of the Shelby aluminum cars as having a distinction from the Kirkham cars in a number of ways, obviously one of those things is the Shelby brand, but there were other difference too, like the original style suspension, a really nice paint job and some amount of assembly done in Vegas. Now it seems a bit less different than a Kirkham if they arrive in Vegas as Kirkham rollers with Kirkham billet suspension and only need to be painted, add some Shelby badges and weld a plate over the Kirkham number with a CSX number.

Now I can definitely see people asking, why pay so much more than the base price of a Kirkham for a Shelby. But then again, there are a lot of options available from Kirkham and they can add up really fast. The price of a well optioned Kirkham can be significantly higher than the base price. Perhaps we can think of the Shelby product as a well optioned Kirkham with a really nice paint job and the Shelby brand name. And I think we know that Shelby has customer out there willing to pay their price.
Your question is still easily answered as to why people are still paying more for a Shelby. Shelby's have always sold for a premium over AC's. Then and now.

While the early Continuation Cobras underwent mods by Shelby to bring them to damn near exact original spec as far as brakes, suspension and other details beyond a base Kirkham and now perhaps they are just shuffled through for paint and badges (supporting one reason for my statement that the early Shelbys are more desirable then the current crop) even now the parallel is still there.

AC Cobras and Shelby Cobras in 289 or 427 were identical as far as I know except for badging (if someone knows different please educate me) and Shelbys sold for a premium then and a larger premium today.

Its the fact of being a "Shelby" and having that pedigree.

If todays generation does not have an interest in these cars and won't in the future expect the value of all to drop including the original cars whose drop will be more precipitous. Other cars from the same era will suffer the same fate.

Question, if Porsche decided to bring back the 550 Spyder in its exact original form and configuration would it be a "replica" of the original series. What about Ferrari with the original Testarosa? Or Lamborghini with the Miura?
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Question, if Porsche decided to bring back the 550 Spyder in its exact original form and configuration would it be a "replica" of the original series. What about Ferrari with the original Testarosa? Or Lamborghini with the Miura?
no them days are over. by year 2025, all USA cars must meet 54 MPG

next generation (40 years old and under) will not line up for a new shelby cobra $180K chassis but they will pay $500K for a used ford GT
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no them days are over. by year 2025, all USA cars must meet 54 MPG ...
Nice try ...

"The Obama administration announced strict new vehicle fuel-efficiency standards Tuesday, requiring that the U.S. auto fleet average 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025 ..."

Autos must average 54.5 mpg by 2025, new EPA standards say - The Washington Post
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Nice try ...

"The Obama administration announced strict new vehicle fuel-efficiency standards Tuesday, requiring that the U.S. auto fleet average 54.5 miles per gallon by 2025 ..."

Autos must average 54.5 mpg by 2025, new EPA standards say - The Washington Post
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thanks, AL

u are a better moderator than Jamo. carry on

oh, did you send your resume to alloycars yet? they are hiring
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Question, if Porsche decided to bring back the 550 Spyder in its exact original form and configuration would it be a "replica" of the original series. What about Ferrari with the original Testarosa? Or Lamborghini with the Miura?
That's easy. They would be "replicas". Assuming we're living in a dreamworld of course and Porsche and Ferrari would build their replicas. But they wouldn't, even if they could.

As David Kirkham said, Shelby has ordered at least the 50th anniversary series as re-badged Kirkhams, because the folks running Shelby now want the best for their product, which includes the Kirkham billet aluminum suspension.
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Question, if Porsche decided to bring back the 550 Spyder in its exact original form and configuration would it be a "replica" of the original series. What about Ferrari with the original Testarosa? Or Lamborghini with the Miura?
That's a fair question perhaps for another thread, but I say whether they are termed replicas or not they'll have the place in history as a later generation of the car and therefore the "Value" would be in direct proportion to thier history.

CSX4 series rebirth is the history of a man/company who rested on their laurels while Kirkham of the same vintage went passed them.

I agree your insertion that at least with the 4000series they stayed true to the purist, and therefore the product more desirable to them. However with this being a small and shrinking market, the new mob running Shelby seemingly NOT dumb, have got to move to increase market share... Or???
What else could they do?
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