Dan and Daves visit to Alloycars

[AL427SBF]

A comparison of roller costs was made earlier, implying they were equal packages, but no details were given to support that assumption. Here is a breakdown of "what you get", clearly all rollers are not created equal, provided as FYI only.
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[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

A comparison of roller costs was made earlier, implying they were equal packages, but no details were given to support that assumption. Here is a breakdown of "what you get", clearly all rollers are not created equal, provided as FYI only.
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Details were given by me based upon what info was available from the Alloycars website. Now, lo and behold, an "Alloycars versus Kirkham" comparison page pops up on the Alloycars website. Wow, well, that's interesting, but certainly leaves a few details out on the specifics that Kirkham gives you for one of their cars.

The market will speak for itself. If Alloycars is going after Kirkham's business, then that's good for competiton, and what America is all about. But Alloycars will have to step up their game, because Kirkham is an engineering-driven company and "the only thing that stays constant is change."

[AL427SBF]

Yes and I did leave and was gone, but Jamo invited me back, since then I have gotten my 2nd wind

"I see the one person I invited to provide an apology to the members chose not to...speaks volumes." - Jamo

Back to some real content, earlier the cost of "rollers" was mentioned as if to imply they were equal and one could base a purchasing decision on that. What was lacking were the roller details. Here's a breakdown of "what you get" when making such a comparison, provided as FYI only.
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[Al G]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Yes and I did leave and was gone, but Jamo invited me back, since then I have gotten my 2nd wind

"I see the one person I invited to provide an apology to the members chose not to...speaks volumes." - Jamo

Back to some real content, earlier the cost of "rollers" was mentioned as if to imply they were equal and one could base a purchasing decision on that. What was lacking were the roller details. Here's a breakdown of "what you get" when making such a comparison, provided as FYI only.
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I don't own a Kirkham so I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure many of the items listed as unique to Alloy Cars are included in the Kirkham.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Al G

I don't own a Kirkham so I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure many of the items listed as unique to Alloy Cars are included in the Kirkham.

Maybe so, I think Alloycars filtered through the data available on the website and the deltas you see are what they found. The bottom of that page where the options are listed I found interesting, some of the differences there are significant, particularly when considering it should be a direct 1 for 1.
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[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Maybe so, I think Alloycars filtered through the data available on the website and the deltas you see are what they found. The bottom of that page where the options are listed I found interesting, some of the differences there are significant, particularly when considering it should be a direct 1 for 1.
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As I mentioned above, ALOT of details are missing, but I'm sure they'll be posted soon after my post here.

We all know what type of differential Kirkham supplies (aluminum replica of the original), but Alloycars just states IRS. And then there are the wheels. Kirkham provides pin drive, but Alloycars doesn't specify bolt-on or pin drive. I could on and on.

[mikeinatlanta]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

As I mentioned above, ALOT of details are missing, but I'm sure they'll be posted soon after my post here.

We all know what type of differential Kirkham supplies (aluminum replica of the original), but Alloycars just states IRS. And then there are the wheels. Kirkham provides pin drive, but Alloycars doesn't specify bolt-on or pin drive. I could on and on.

I seriously doubt it. While they may be fine metal crafters, they know very little about the chassis on which they are fitting a body.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Honestly, for someone who just recently torched the site and one of the moderators, then said goodbye to CC, only to come back, doesn't get much respect in my book. Don't threaten the "nuclear option", unless you actually intend to follow through.

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

I never said it, please post the link to those words.

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Yes and I did leave and was gone, but Jamo invited me back, since then I have gotten my 2nd wind

You "never said it (leaving the site)." And then you admit you did leave this site.

Your credibility is suffering terribly. Can we now believe what you say about Alloycars or short-stroke engines are "revvier"?

[AL427SBF]

Don't know why the double/partial post, CC has been acting strange this AM.
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[rodneym]

I just came back from Alloy Cars' website and saw the Comparison.

The Kirkham is a much better value than I thought.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by rodneym

I just came back from Alloy Cars' website and saw the Comparison.

The Kirkham is a much better value than I thought.

Paul (Fatboy) posted a closeup pic of their "prototype" (since they haven't built one production car yet, that is for sale to the public), and the quality comparison would favor Kirkham by a considerable margin.

If the price delta between Alloycars and Kirkham were say $30K ($79,995 versus $49,995) for an alloy Cobra, then I think we could have a more serious discussion of comparing "apples to apples."

[rodneym]

Mike,
Who know little?
Alloy Cars or Kirkham?

[mikeinatlanta]

Originally Posted by rodneym

Mike,
Who know little?
Alloy Cars or Kirkham?

The guys that wouldn't listen when told their prototype was a MKII chassis. They guys who hurled insults when informed that mustangII spindles wouldn't fit their chassis. The guys who refused to post a single picture so that those of us willing to help them could give accurate advice. Keep in mind that I was communicating with them through multiple PMs. I gave lengthy explanations as to why I needed a couple of pictures to assist them technically. They never sent them.

IMO, Nobody in their right mind would challenge Kirkham's technical abilities.

[rodneym]

Whew.
I thought you may have had a screw loose.
I must have read it wrong.

[mikeinatlanta]

Originally Posted by rodneym

Whew.
I thought you may have had a screw loose.
I must have read it wrong.

I've got more than one screw loose, and a few cross threaded too.

[mikeinatlanta]

Question:
1. If you were to build a prototype of sufficient quality to show it, why would you then destroy it? Even as a one of one it has significant value.

2. As I understand, the claim is that this car was purchased and then rebodied. Where is the original MKII body? Is it going back on the MKII chassis and being sold, or is the entire car to be destroyed?

3. I'm seeing lots of pics of bodies being built. If they only took delivery of their MKIV in the last week or two, what was used for the tooling patterns for all the bodies already under construction? Building quality tools is not a fast process.

[g8rnbft]

When did it change that alloy was going to do more than re-body a ffr chassis.

[CobraDan]

Well, I have been gone for a short time as other things other than this thread happens in my life. I see the same people have not backed off & we are 3 more pages longer. But my real problem is I found out that Dave has moved the pictures into his Picasa site & it changed all the URL's of the pictures I posted. I redid my first post & those are back up. I will spend the time to do all the pictures but I'm beginning to wonder if all this is worth while.

[mikeinatlanta]

Originally Posted by CobraDan

Well, I have been gone for a short time as other things other than this thread happens in my life. I see the same people have not backed off & we are 3 more pages longer. But my real problem is I found out that Dave has moved the pictures into his Picasa site & it changed all the URL's of the pictures I posted. I redid my first post & those are back up. I will spend the time to do all the pictures but I'm beginning to wonder if all this is worth while.

"Backed off"?? Really?? This little detail may have skipped your attention, but your snippy comments have contributed nothing to the information you claimed to have gotten for relaying here. Your photos of the same car and same half finished bodies has contributed to the general knowledge of what is going on down there exactly none. I was hoping that you would be able to provide a few answers, but I can see now that you have no desire to do so, only wishing to parrot what you were told.

Let me sum up all of your posts on this thread. "With this mighty thread I have spoken. You shall now disperse and be satisfied".

[ACademic]

You know, just for grins I was hopeful that we might just get 90 days down the road in order to see an actual alloy body mounted to some sort of integrated bird cage/uni-frame, that would actually make its way onto an FFR MKIV chassis. Just to see how it was done, how it attaches, if it looks right, quality of craftsmanship, etc. Large, hi-definition photos and close-ups. Nobody's equity gone but for some guy in South Florida that has some demonstrated experiences working with alloy (albeit language barriers and prior attempts to communicate clearly aside). Not so sure we'll ever get there. What caustic company we keep here at times, huh?