You do not own your car anymore says the manufacturers

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by joyridin'

Whatever you want. Maybe you should do a Google search and read the other articles instead of knocking this one and sounding idiotic.

I suppose if you saw an article on wired where the author says he prefers a cam that holds both the intake and exhaust valves open during the entire compression stroke and I said that was complete nonsense, you would ask me to google that too?

OK. Whatever.

John Deere responds to ownership article

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

I suppose if you saw an article on wired where the author says he prefers a cam that holds both the intake and exhaust valves open during the entire compression stroke and I said that was complete nonsense, you would ask me to google that too?

OK. Whatever.

John Deere responds to ownership article

Funny..you were the only one that couldn't grasp the concept. Do you even know what an intake or exhaust valve is or do I have to tell you to Google that also? Obviously the whole article is way above your level of comprehension. Sorry about that!

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by joyridin'

Funny..you were the only one that couldn't grasp the concept. Do you even know what an intake or exhaust valve is or do I have to tell you to Google that also? Obviously the whole article is way above your level of comprehension. Sorry about that!

So you think that a cam that would blow your unburned fuel air mixture out both your exhaust and intake at the same time is NOT nonsense?

My last post included what seemed like a reasonable response from John Deere from my googling yesterday. I did not think that most of the other stuff that I saw while googling for this was even worth mentioning, but why not paraphrase some of it.
-- Dude if GM thinks they own my car, they should pay to fix it if I crash it.
-- All software should be open source...
-- Capitalism will eventually lead to monopolies and blah, blah, ...

Are any of the above things, something that you agree with? What point are you trying to make? Is there something that you feel you would like to change in your car's software that copyright and your automobile manufacture is stopping you from doing?

I suppose I could argue for software changes. Before I go down this path, I do not now, nor have I ever owned a hybrid car. But lets think about technology changes. The first hybrid I remember being sold was the original Honda Insight, which I believe has an nimh battery. More recent hybrids have some sort of lithium batteries. And there is always going to be something better. However I suspect that hybrid car's software is tuned specifically toward the battery they were originally designed for in terms of performance, charging/discharging and maintaining a long battery life. Switching to a newer battery technology with the car's original software might deliver both poor performance and poor battery life. And do you think that the hybrid manufacturer has any incentive to provide a software update to a 15 year old car to support newer battery technology? Probably not. So it seems that upgrading an older car with newer technology might not be easy if you are stuck with the old software. But how many people are going to be interested in doing something like that? Most people that I know just maintain their cars per the manufacturer without ever contemplating doing anything differently than that. If I were an engineer at a hybrid car company, I might push for software that could be easily tuned to support newer battery types down the road, but I suspect that management and marketing would not want to invest in such a feature when there are other things that will sound cooler in the sales brochure. So if I had an original Honda Insight, would I say I don't own my car because I don't have the freedom to change the old software in my car. I just cannot make the connection in my mind that I would not own the car.

[FatBoy]

Probably like many others on here, I work in the IT industry and I can't think of a single instance where you actually "own" any software that you "buy". All you are doing is paying for a licence to use that software for a specified period of time.
I don't see this being any different as it relates specifically to the software, not the hardware.

The above comment that "All software should be Open Source" is blatantly ridiculous.

Paul

[TN Shelby Cobra]

I will never buy a new car again! Problem solved! They can keep their $hit!
I have had enough of big government!!!!

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by FatBoy

Probably like many others on here, I work in the IT industry and I can't think of a single instance where you actually "own" any software that you "buy". All you are doing is paying for a licence to use that software for a specified period of time.
I don't see this being any different as it relates specifically to the software, not the hardware.

The above comment that "All software should be Open Source" is blatantly ridiculous.

Paul

I'm just curious. Is software from auto manufacturers routinely pirated? I can throw a copy of Windows in multiple computers, but I cannot see a lot of logic in taking Fords software for a Focus and pirating it. Many of the software products have licenses due to competition, but I doubt Ford has a lot of competition for the software in their F150.

I could be wrong, but I have never seen it for sale anywhere.

[FatBoy]

Originally Posted by joyridin'

I'm just curious. Is software from auto manufacturers routinely pirated? I can throw a copy of Windows in multiple computers, but I cannot see a lot of logic in taking Fords software for a Focus and pirating it. Many of the software products have licenses due to competition, but I doubt Ford has a lot of competition for the software in their F150.

I could be wrong, but I have never seen it for sale anywhere.

This probably has far less to do with the average owner "pirating" the software than other manufacturers and competitors. The software is a very important part of todays complex and sophisticated engine management systems. There is also the infotainment, navigation and DIS systems, all of which have had many hours of development and expertise invested in them. If another manufacturer could short-cut that process by starting with another companies products, they probably would if there weren't measures in place to prevent it.

I don't see that this has anything to do with "big government", but everything to do with manufacturers protecting their investment and IP, which isn't unreasonable.

Paul

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by FatBoy

If another manufacturer could short-cut that process by starting with another companies products, they probably would if there weren't measures in place to prevent it.

Can you say "China"????