Mystery solved. Shelby Trust to sell Real Cobras

[Phill Pollard]

Originally Posted by Bernica

I guess I'm a little confused as to why you couldn't get the car registered for street use. I understand that as a turn-key, at least here in CA you wouldn't be able to. But wouldn't there be a way around that by having the car completed as a roller, then buying and having the engine installed separately?

Trying to convert a Off-Road (race) car to the street would be impossible. Remember, this isn't a "Replica", "Kit Car", or roller. It's a complete vehicle.

The vehicle would have to meet CURRENT emission and safety standards.

These cars will NOT be 1965 cars, they will be 2015 cars, or whatever year they are COMPLETED in. Key Word: COMPLETED (in).

Carroll Shelby tried this before and if I remember right, was successful with completing/selling only a couple of them until the law stepped in and clarified the Year Model of them and he had to stop.

Safety standards alone would all but kill the car. Bumper height, headlight height, 5 mph bumpers, door bars, SRS/airbags, etc. etc. etc.

Then emission standards would finish the car off.


Phill Pollard

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by Phill Pollard

Trying to convert a Off-Road (race) car to the street would be impossible. Remember, this isn't a "Replica", "Kit Car", or roller. It's a complete vehicle.

The vehicle would have to meet CURRENT emission and safety standards.

These cars will NOT be 1965 cars, they will be 2015 cars, or whatever year they are COMPLETED in. Key Word: COMPLETED (in).

Carroll Shelby tried this before and if I remember right, was successful with completing/selling only a couple of them until the law stepped in and clarified the Year Model of them and he had to stop.

Safety standards alone would all but kill the car. Bumper height, headlight height, 5 mph bumpers, door bars, SRS/airbags, etc. etc. etc.

Then emission standards would finish the car off.


Phill Pollard

So then how do I buy a Superformance, Kirkham or whatever today as a roller and have it registered? People do it all the time.
In CA, we have the SB100 exclusion from all those pesky regulations.
I must be missing something. I get it if you have to buy the car turn-key which would kill the registration (at least in CA) but why not as a roller?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Bernica

So then how do I buy a Superformance, Kirkham or whatever today as a roller and have it registered? People do it all the time.
In CA, we have the SB100 exclusion from all those pesky regulations.
I must be missing something. I get it if you have to buy the car turn-key which would kill the registration (at least in CA) but why not as a roller?

You can buy a SPF or other as a roller without power train. Installing the power train by the manufacturer makes it a completed vehicle and would have to meet year of manufacture safety requirements. There is nothing new here... I said it, Phil said it, and I'm saying it again. I would have anticipated that this is understood by almost everyone here.

Shelby is choosing to NOT make these cars rollers to preserve the attribute of the originals as anyone can put any engine in they wish in a roller. These new cars will be in some cases closer to the originals than many of the originals are today. We'll see what in the MSO makes it impossible to register them for street use.

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

I would have anticipated that this is understood by almost everyone here.

Shelby is choosing to NOT make these cars rollers to preserve the attribute of the originals as anyone can put any engine in they wish in a roller. These new cars will be in some cases closer to the originals than many of the originals are today. We'll see what in the MSO makes it impossible to register them for street use.

That's all I was asking and yes, I do understand.
I only asked because I wanted to be sure that SAI wouldn't start selling them as rollers, which would certainly pollute their provenance.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Bernica

That's all I was asking and yes, I do understand.
I only asked because I wanted to be sure that SAI wouldn't start selling them as rollers, which would certainly pollute their provenance.

Selling as rollers would pollute the Provenance? Really? All originals were sold as turnkey minus rollers from AC. That doesn't dilute their Providence.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Selling as rollers would pollute the Provenance? Really? All originals were sold as turnkey minus rollers from AC. That doesn't dilute their Providence.

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[Bernica]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

All originals were sold as turnkey minus rollers from AC

Were any Comp cars sold as rollers?

[Phill Pollard]

Originally Posted by Bernica

So then how do I buy a Superformance, Kirkham or whatever today as a roller and have it registered? People do it all the time.
In CA, we have the SB100 exclusion from all those pesky regulations.
I must be missing something. I get it if you have to buy the car turn-key which would kill the registration (at least in CA) but why not as a roller?

You answered your own question;

Because it is a ROLLER. A chassis and body with suspension and no "Power Train". Hence, a "Kit Car". It would have to be completed by the buyer, not the manufacture of the roller chassis.

The law allows an individual to build a certain number of "Kit Cars" per year. I believe CA allows you 3 (IIRC, it could be 1 <?shrug?>).

If Shelby completes the car it is a VEHICLE, not a ROLLER. It would need to meet all emission and safety standards for the year it was produced (i.e. COMPLETED).

Apples and Oranges...


Phill

[REAL 1]

As David said DeBeneste is a very savvy business man. If this were about history they would build one of these cars 100% correct in every nut and bolt as they were brand new as delivered by Shelby from the LA Airport and put it in the museum for the preservation of history.

Are all the proceeds of these "completion" cars going to the construction of the museum and acquisition of whatever they are acquiring for it???? Don't know. Are any part of the funds going to "profits" into "pockets"? Don't know.

The point is these cars are not true completion cars and should not have CSX3000 vin#. Period. They are not CSX3000 cars. Period. Regardless of how beautiful or breathtaking they may be. A well turned out Continuation Cobra with all the right major bits to the eye is just as breathtaking to the observer.

Are the buyers of these completion cars going to hoard them and keep them to themselves or share them with others to see? If they are keep in private collections no one will ever see how is that furthering the preservation of history? History has to be remembered to be preserved.

As to the "originals" being the true preservationists of history, that is not 100%true. History to be preserved must be remembered first. The replica industry and the replicas of today help preserved and preserve history by keeping a car over 50 years old in the public conscience and minds. A run of the mill 1972 Toyota perfectly preserved is part of "history" too but who cares? That and many other cars have faded from "history" so to speak.

The second generation Shelbys are part of Shelby history now. Their importance in the future is still undetermined.

History is made every day its just that some of it turns out to be more important to people than others.

[David Kirkham]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

As David said DeBeneste is a very savvy business man. If this were about history they would build one of these cars 100% correct in every nut and bolt as they were brand new as delivered by Shelby from the LA Airport and put it in the museum for the preservation of history.

The problem is the nuts and bolts are BSW. Building a car with the correct BSW bolts would probably add $100,000 to the cost.

Are all the proceeds of these "completion" cars going to the construction of the museum and acquisition of whatever they are acquiring for it???? Don't know. Are any part of the funds going to "profits" into "pockets"? Don't know.

First, I don't know. I'm not in their books. But from what I can tell there isn't going to be a whole lot of profit in this for anyone. The money is probably mostly going to the museum. Bill is facilitating it all to help the Shelby brand. Sure he will probably be paid (he should be) but if he wanted to make $$$ he'd just make another business deal. Bill loves the Shelby brand and is one of the only guys who really got along well with Carroll on a personal level. I think Bill has the largest collection of Shelbys in the world--so this ENTIRE project isn't really that much money to him--(If not the largest collection, then certainly one of the largest. He has rows and rows and rows of Shelbys stacked up in his warehouse. It is an awesome sight to behold).

We charged a lot of money to put their parts together--because it is EXTREMELY expensive to build one of these. There just isn't a pot of gold in it for anyone. It took us a year to build the car. Compare that to the normal 4 weeks it takes us to build one and you can see I'd rather build one of our own rides for Shelby.

The point is these cars are not true completion cars and should not have CSX3000 vin#. Period. They are not CSX3000 cars. Period. Regardless of how beautiful or breathtaking they may be. A well turned out Continuation Cobra with all the right major bits to the eye is just as breathtaking to the observer.

I think Shelby can call them anything they want--CSX1000-2000-3000-4000...why not?

Are the buyers of these completion cars going to hoard them and keep them to themselves or share them with others to see? If they are keep in private collections no one will ever see how is that furthering the preservation of history? History has to be remembered to be preserved.

I think customers can do anything they want with their own cars. Why not?

As to the "originals" being the true preservationists of history, that is not 100%true. History to be preserved must be remembered first. The replica industry and the replicas of today help preserved and preserve history by keeping a car over 50 years old in the public conscience and minds. A run of the mill 1972 Toyota perfectly preserved is part of "history" too but who cares? That and many other cars have faded from "history" so to speak.

The second generation Shelbys are part of Shelby history now. Their importance in the future is still undetermined.

History is made every day its just that some of it turns out to be more important to people than others.

These are great questions/comments (ones that I'd expect of my own lawyer).

David