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05-06-2019, 05:22 AM
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I haven't seen these pics of 2196 before, JM, so thanks for posting them
Cheers,
Glen
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05-06-2019, 08:06 AM
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Great pics Jac Mac. Any idea of the years these pics were taken. I'm guessing early to mid 1990's.
How can we help you with the other pics?
You could e-mail them to me and I could post them for you.
I'll PM you with my e-mail address.
Cheers
Greg
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05-06-2019, 08:21 AM
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In this pic that I had posted I can identify some of the people:
Shelby on the right
Lew Spencer to Shelby's right
Maybe Joan Sherman (with her back to camera) Shelby's secretary, girl friend, later wife
The other three don't know.
Neat cars. Possibly Bird Cage Maserati hiding in the garage behind the Cadillac
Cheers
Greg.
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05-07-2019, 02:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by my427cobra
....Here's an oldie that begs the question: Who are these people? ....
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....and where are they?
Shelby is wearing a collar and tie, which is unusual unless he's in England.
It's raining, so that suggests England, not California.
Looks like a Jag XK150 at the side, and maybe a Morgan in the background. Did many Morgans make it stateside?
BUT....there's what looks like a Cadillac (1950-ish?) in the shed....and that makes the English location unlikely
Just chewing the fat....
Cheers
Glen
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05-07-2019, 03:40 AM
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someone is wearing sunglasses even after the rain (!), she is wearing colorful beach shorts
that suggest California 
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05-07-2019, 07:11 AM
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Check out the license plate on the caddy. Aren't the British plates long and narrow?
Blas
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05-07-2019, 09:05 AM
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I thinks that's Lew Spencer to Shelby's right who I believe had a British Sports Car dealership at the time.
Shelby and he partnered in High Performance Motors, the showroom/dealership in El Segundo selling Cobras in the mid '60s.
Cheers
Greg
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05-08-2019, 02:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Blas
Check out the license plate on the caddy. Aren't the British plates long and narrow?
Blas
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I thought it is an American plate as well.
Gary
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05-10-2019, 05:56 AM
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[quote=xb-60;1461444]
OK, here is a reply from William Edgar the son of John Edgar in the photo. Don't think he is a member here so if you can tell me where the photo came from or send me a Hi res copy, I will relay it to him.
Hello again, Blas,
Good photograph. Thanks. I have never seen this one before, and I would like to have a hi-resolution copy for my files.
People, left to right: Unknown man w/cigarette, John Edgar (age 55), Ruth Levy with cigarette, Shelby's business associate Lew Spencer (?), Edgar/Shelby racing mechanic and transporter driver Joe Landaker, and Carroll Shelby. I'd say the location is Dallas, Texas, at the time Ruth drove an Edgar-entry Porsche 550 at the nearby Eagle Mountain races during a rainy spell in early June 1957. Rain on the pavement here. The white Cadillac is not an Edgar car, but the black-on-white license place is specifically what Texas plates were in color scheme for year 1957. I can't tell what the low white car, mostly likely a race car, really is. The red race car is almost definitely the John Edgar's Ferrari 410 Sport s/n 0598 CM (racing number 98) from what is visible of its partial racing number 8 and characteristic 410 Sport's large hood scoop. Finally, Shelby is un-characteristically wearing a dress shirt and tie, making me believe he has to be close to his Carroll Shelby Sports Cars business office there in Dallas. Do you know the name of the photographer? Get back to me with your thoughts.
Best regards,
William Edgar
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05-10-2019, 08:20 AM
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Look at a 1957 Elva MKllB 100/49 maybe.
Door line and trim at top of door looks right as does tail light shape and location...
1957 ELVA MKllB 100/49, 1 of 13 CARS, CURRENT LOG BOOK, GREAT CAR, RACE CAR
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05-10-2019, 10:59 PM
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[quote=Blas;1461596]
Quote:
Originally Posted by xb-60
OK, here is a reply from William Edgar the son of John Edgar in the photo. Don't think he is a member here so if you can tell me where the photo came from or send me a Hi res copy, I will relay it to him.
Hello again, Blas,
Good photograph. Thanks. I have never seen this one before, and I would like to have a hi-resolution copy for my files.
People, left to right: Unknown man w/cigarette, John Edgar (age 55), Ruth Levy with cigarette, Shelby's business associate Lew Spencer (?), Edgar/Shelby racing mechanic and transporter driver Joe Landaker, and Carroll Shelby. I'd say the location is Dallas, Texas, at the time Ruth drove an Edgar-entry Porsche 550 at the nearby Eagle Mountain races during a rainy spell in early June 1957. Rain on the pavement here. The white Cadillac is not an Edgar car, but the black-on-white license place is specifically what Texas plates were in color scheme for year 1957. I can't tell what the low white car, mostly likely a race car, really is. The red race car is almost definitely the John Edgar's Ferrari 410 Sport s/n 0598 CM (racing number 98) from what is visible of its partial racing number 8 and characteristic 410 Sport's large hood scoop. Finally, Shelby is un-characteristically wearing a dress shirt and tie, making me believe he has to be close to his Carroll Shelby Sports Cars business office there in Dallas. Do you know the name of the photographer? Get back to me with your thoughts.
Best regards,
William Edgar
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Hi Blas,
Great information there from William Edgar. Just shows how much is out there for the asking.
It was Greg (my427cobra) who posted the picture originally (post #117); I've got a copy that's a little larger, but still not hi-res. PM me with your email address if you'd like me to send it to you.
Cheers,
Glen
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05-11-2019, 12:56 PM
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H guys. The pi cI had was a very old original photograph 3" x 4" that I had with a bunch of other vintage photos. No negative though.
I donated those pics to SAAC a couple of years ago.
Great to narrow down all the correct period info.
Cheers
Greg
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