Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

There is no doubt I own an undisputed, bona fide, authentic, true etc Shelby Cobra. Can't be disputed. Period.

It's definitely a genuine or true REPLICA of a Shelby Cobra, being reproduced by a successor company to Shelby American, which started reproducing them in 1995.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

It's definitely a genuine or true REPLICA of a Shelby Cobra, being reproduced by a successor company to Shelby American, which started reproducing them in 1995.

While it is a replica of the original series it is also a Shelby Cobra. The car replicates the original Shelby Cobra as it must to be the same car. New. Old. Both nearly identical from SAI or is successor. See the World Registry. To say it is not a Shelby Cobra because it replicates the original series is in noting the obvious fact of what it is.

See Registry. It's all set forth very clearly.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

No it is a Shelby Cobra. The car replicates the original Shelby Cobra as it must to be the same car. New. Old. Both nearly identical from SAI or is successor.

"Nearly identical" is relative. The genuine Shelby Cobra replicas that began production in 1995, like yours, don't use the same materials as used in the 1960's. None of the steel, aluminum, interior, etc. is the same as the 1960's Shelby Cobras. But the CSX4000 shape and appearance is roughly approximate though.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

See the World Registry.

The Registry also lists Kirkham Cobras as "real" Cobras. You can draw all the parallels you want with AC, but as much as I love my Kirkham and the Kirkham company, they're not AC.

The Registry will change. I'm counting on it. Disaffected SAAC members will lead an uprising.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

The Registry also lists Kirkham Cobras as "real" Cobras. You can draw all the parallels you want with AC, but as much as I love my Kirkham and the Kirkham company, they're not AC.

The Registry will change. I'm counting on it. Disaffected SAAC members will lead an uprising.

Glad Ned sees the value in simplifying what has turned out to be a real mess, thanks for sharing - I didn't realize he had tagged my post.

I have a feeling one particular "Ron" may also feel the same way, the time is ripe for a SAAC uprising Once I learned the scope of the registry's reach my immediate thought was owners of originals were seriously marginalized.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Once I learned the scope of the registry's reach my immediate thought was owners of originals were seriously marginalized.

Well, if you compare the 1987 SAAC Registry and the most recent version, all the modern era reproductions (SPF and CSX Daytona Coupes, Shelby and Kirkham Cobras and SPF GT40's) really have bloated what was once just one book, but now takes several humongous books.

You can make the modern era reproductions look similar, with sideoilers, toploaders, original Smith gauges, NOS this and NOS that, but the fact of the matter is that if you're willing TODAY to plunk down $160,000 (ish) for an alloy Shelby body or $100,000 for Kirkham body, you too, can call your Cobra a Cobra. Well, at least once you go through the PITA of emission testing exemptions and inspections, and hope your Cobra replica passes muster.

The entry fee for a 1960's Shelby Cobra is roughly around a $1,000,000 +/- and you can immediately drive off into the sunset on any road in America, if you so choose.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Glad Ned sees the value in simplifying what has turned out to be a real mess, thanks for sharing - I didn't realize he had tagged my post.

I have a feeling one particular "Ron" may also feel the same way, the time is ripe for a SAAC uprising Once I learned the scope of the registry's reach my immediate thought was owners of originals were seriously marginalized.

Well, SAAC can change the Registry if they choose, don't really care, but it doesn't change the fact that the Continuation Shelbys are genuine Shelby Cobras. The current Registry recognizes the obvious and is factually correct. So they would have to basically say, hey we were all wrong and explain why they were wrong. fine if they want to lose credibility by denying reality.

They may make original owners happy and non Shelby owners happy who will pile on and then swear allegiance to the Registry and then cite it non stop but it will alienate a lot of other members who own current gen Shelbys. Owners of originals shouldn't feel marginalized. They own originals. Clearly the brass ring. They just want to make sure no one else is recognized as owning genuine Cobras. Petty and selfish.

In the end, my title clearly says what it is and so does my id chassis plate. I don't need anyone else or any other club or organization to tell me what it is. The Registry deciding my car isn't a Shelby Cobra would be to deny the obvious facts.Just saying the 40th World Registry has it correct and fairly and logically dealt with the issue.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Well, SAAC can change the Registry if they choose, don't really care, but it doesn't change the fact that the Continuation Shelbys are genuine Shelby Cobras. The current Registry recognizes the obvious and is factually correct. So they would have to basically say, hey we were all wrong and explain why they were wrong.

They may make original owners happy and non Shelby owners happy who will pile on and then swear allegiance to the Registry and then cite it non stop but it will alienate a lot of other members who own current gen Shelbys. Owners of originals shouldn't feel marginalized. They own originals. Clearly the brass ring. They just want to make sure no one else is recognized as owning genuine Cobras. Petty and selfish.

In the end, my title clearly says what it is and so does my id chassis plate. I don't need anyone else or any other club or organization to tell me what it is. Just saying the 40th World Registry has it correct and fairly and logically dealt with the issue.

I don't think they'll (SAAC) have to admit to anything that haven't already incorporated into the Registry. Some humans had a marketing meeting and it went awry, and instead of "true replica", these falable humans decided on "continuation". "They'll sell better that way", they rejoiced.

SAAC and SAI can just have a mutual (or not mutual) parting of the ways. SAAC will track the originals and Shelby and SPF can handle tracking of the replicas. What's the big deal. Don't make things harder than they have to be. SAAC just disassociates itself with the modern era Shelbys, Kirkhams and SPF's. However, I highly doubt that any organization can do the brilliant job that the SAAC Registrars do. Good luck there.

As for titles, CA calls them all SPCNS or Specially Constructed Vehicles. States can call them whatever they want to call them. Every state is different. If CSX4206 were to get sold here in CA and someone is able to register it, though highly doubtful, since it's a completed kit car that cannot meet current safety and emissions requirements, then CA will call it an SPCNS.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I don't think they'll (SAAC) have to admit to anything that haven't already incorporated into the Registry. Some humans had a marketing meeting and it went awry, and instead of "true replica", these falable humans decided on "continuation". "They'll sell better that way", they rejoiced.

SAAC and SAI can just have a mutual (or not mutual) parting of the ways. SAAC will track the originals and Shelby and SPF can handle tracking of the replicas. What's the big deal. Don't make things harder than they have to be. SAAC just disassociates itself with the modern era Shelbys, Kirkhams and SPF's. However, I highly doubt that any organization can do the brilliant job that the SAAC Registrars do. Good luck there.

As for titles, CA calls them all SPCNS or Specially Constructed Vehicles. States can call them whatever they want to call them. Every state is different. If CSX4206 were to get sold here in CA and someone is able to register it, though highly doubtful, since it's a completed kit car that cannot meet current safety and emissions requirements, then CA will call it an SPCNS.

You are mixing things up. Not going to bother trying to straighten it out since it is clearly pointless with you. Very simply the current Registry is accurate and correct in it's analysis and definitions.Your statements are half truths as to what the Registry states and misleading.

Those reading this are free to a argee with you. That's fine but if they want to know what the World Registry says I would urge them to read it for themselves unless they are content with the skewed versions of it from you. I could quote chapter and verse here and it would make 0 difference.

Hey if SAAC wants to dump the Continuation Shelbys from the World Registry that's up to them. They certainly won't need to have a Registar for them any more. They can toss all that info in the garbage. If they don't want to bother keeping track of the second gen Shelbys that's no skin off my nose or likely any other Continuation owner's nose. Moreover if they decided they no longer were going recognize the Continuation Shelbys as they should be I.e. True Shelby Cobras my bet would be their owners would lose any interest in providing them any information on their cars or membership. Last SAAC convention saw maybe 10 original cars and didn't seem that well attended. Seems they would want to be attracting new members and growing interest not alienating it. But hey, that's their business.

Yeah SAAC could decide just to keep track of the originals and exclude the second gen Shelby Cobra and let Shelby keep track of the "Continuation Cobras." Shelby Americans view of it for sure. They should then change there name to TOOSAAC (The Original Only Shelby Amer. club).

As far as Kirkhams are concern I gave you my view of it and the Registrys. In the end I don't own a Kirkham. You do. Couldn't care less what SAAC does with them and you are free to see you car as the largest fake pos on the planet. matters not one wit to me.

As far as how California or any state claaaifys any of these cars is completely valueless to the issue.

Even the newbie ASO544 stated it simply and correctly unlike the detractors here. Even he gets it.