Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[Al G]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

The Registry will be updated soon enough, but until then, the Registry does reference the modern Shelby Cobras as Cobra-like and true replicas.

Signed, Yours Truly,
The Peanut Gallery

It also references them as genuine. Why do you always leave that part out?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Al G

It also references them as genuine. Why do you always leave that part out?

Excellent question. Here are my reasons:

1. I know the word "authentic" is used once, one time, when referring to the modern CSX replicas, but I can't remember "genuine" specifically being used, but I could be wrong.

2. Evan does a fantastic job of telling everyone that the modern CSX replicas are real genuine Shelby Cobras. But he never mentions the references in the Registry to "true replica" or "Cobra-like." So I feel the other references must be presented from Registry.

3. "Genuine replica" is an oxymoron, similar to the old joke "military intelligence." So, logically I disagree with the word "genuine" being used when referring to the modern CSX replicas, because logically a replica cannot be genuine.

4. Ned Scudder, the one of the leading historians of the genuine Shelby Cobras and the SAAC Cobra Registrar, has said for some time now, not just in this thread (see above), but in a much older thread, that the modern CSX Cobras are replicas. So, the word "genuine" when referring to the modern CSX replicas, is not correct.

5. The next Registry may change the terminology around the modern CSX replicas, since according to Ned, the "sensitivities" between SAAC and SA/CSBI no longer exist as they did back in the mid-2000's when the Registry was being written. Reading between the lines, it sounds to me like the language used for the modern CSX replicas in the Registry was neutered. I believe Ned words were that SAAC couldn't call "a spade a spade."

[fordracing65]

Whatever we call them, they are all BAD ASS, all of them...every ones cobra on here real or not are awesome and we should all be proud of each other, now lets all hug and start a new thread talking about the same thing...

[Ron61]

Na, keep this one going. It is not only entertaining but could soon enter Super Threat status. And it is only a replica of other threads.

Ron

Originally Posted by fordracing65

Whatever we call them, they are all BAD ASS, all of them...every ones cobra on here real or not are awesome and we should all be proud of each other, now lets all hug and start a new thread talking about the same thing...

[Jaydee]

I saw a funny sign on the side of the road selling furniture. ' Antiques made daily'.
JD

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Al G

It also references them as genuine. Why do you always leave that part out?

Because he must to "win" his point. The Registry discusses and explains the term "replica" as defined by Websters and juxtaposes it's common misused meaning by the common public. It's all explained in the World Registry.

If Leonardo Da Vinci built one of his great inventions or painted the Mona Lisa and years later built and or painted another one just like the first the second would be replicas of the first but genuine authentic Da Vincis. Not hard stuff.

However if FFR, BDR, Unique, ERA, Street Beasts produced, built or painted the item it would be a fake of the Da Vinci.

Kapesh?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Al G

It also references them as genuine. Why do you always leave that part out?

Because it would neuter his agenda.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Because it would neuter his agenda.

Speaking of agendas, cough, cough, the word "genuine" as it relates to the CSX4000 replicas is not used. Please see Ned's comments above.

My agenda? The ONLY original, real, genuine, authentic Shelby Cobras were made in 1962-1967. That's my agenda.

[Al G]

[quote=RodKnock;1367126]Speaking of agendas, cough, cough, the word "genuine" as it relates to the CSX4000 replicas is not used. QUOTE]

My mistake, the word "genuine" is used in the quote from SAAC in post 513. I don't know if it also appears in the registry. However, SAAC still recognizes them as genuine.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Al G

My mistake, the word "genuine" is used in the quote from SAAC in post 513. I don't know if it also appears in the registry. However, SAAC still recognizes them as genuine.

Well, you may have found that one instance where the word "genuine" was used. And I'm very excited for you that you feel you own a "genuine" Cobra. Did you know that I also own a "genuine" Cobra? It's right there in the Registry under the section Kirkham Cobra.

Seriously, though, you gotta call "a spade a spade." Right?

Facts, Fake, Fraud. Oooh an alliteration.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Well, you may have found that one instance where the word "genuine" was used. And I'm very excited for you that you feel you own a "genuine" Cobra. Did you know that I also own a "genuine" Cobra? It's right there in the Registry under the section Kirkham Cobra.

Seriously, though, you gotta call "a spade a spade." Right?

Facts, Fake, Fraud. Oooh an alliteration.

I own a Genuine Cobra also, Kirkham 684...but mine is not in the registry so mines not REAL...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I own a Genuine Cobra also, Kirkham 684...but mine is not in the registry so mines not REAL...

The most recent Registry had just come out when my car was born, but had not yet been sold by Kirkham to me. I bought an "inventory" car, so no owner info was recorded, just the # 539.

I feel bad for you, since #684 may never make the next Registry. I think all the modern "genuine" replicas, like the Shelbys, SPF's and Kirkhams, will be removed.

[REAL 1]

[quote=Al G;1367176]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Speaking of agendas, cough, cough, the word "genuine" as it relates to the CSX4000 replicas is not used. QUOTE]

My mistake, the word "genuine" is used in the quote from SAAC in post 513. I don't know if it also appears in the registry. However, SAAC still recognizes them as genuine.

Ooops. Yes, alas, Rodknock is finally correct. The Registry uses the word "authentic" not "genuine". See page 27 of the World Registry. I get confused between the two words likely because they are synonymous. The Registry also defines them as "current production Cobras". Page 30. It also states calling them "replicas" is a misuse of the word. Page 30.

SAAC website statement in or about 2008 in relevant part:

......As far as CSX4000 and CSX7000 cars are concerned, SAAC accepts these cars as genuine Shelby American Cobras (as opposed to "original" Shelby American Cobras). The definition we use to identify an original Cobra is one which was, 1) built between 1961 and 1968, 2) at the direction of and under contract from Carroll Shelby/Shelby American Inc., and 3) sold by Shelby American or one of its franchised dealers. The only difference between original Cobras and CSX4000 and CSX7000 cars is the time frame in which they were built....

SAAC website statement currently in relevant part:

In the 1990s and beyond, Shelby became aware of the increased interest and subsequent rise in value of the cars and began building another generation of them—both Cobras and Shelby Mustangs.

This should really spool up the Keystone cops.

[RodKnock]

[quote=REAL 1;1367208]

Originally Posted by Al G

Ooops. Yes, alas, Rodknock is finally correct. The Registry uses the word "authentic" not "genuine". See page 27 of the World Registry. I get confused between the two words likely because they are synonymous. The Registry also defines them as "current production Cobras". Page 30. It also states calling them "replicas" is a misuse of the word. Page 30.

SAAC website statement in or about 2008 in relevant part:

......As far as CSX4000 and CSX7000 cars are concerned, SAAC accepts these cars as genuine Shelby American Cobras (as opposed to "original" Shelby American Cobras). The definition we use to identify an original Cobra is one which was, 1) built between 1961 and 1968, 2) at the direction of and under contract from Carroll Shelby/Shelby American Inc., and 3) sold by Shelby American or one of its franchised dealers. The only difference between original Cobras and CSX4000 and CSX7000 cars is the time frame in which they were built....

SAAC website statement currently in relevant part:

In the 1990s and beyond, Shelby became aware of the increased interest and subsequent rise in value of the cars and began building another generation of them—both Cobras and Shelby Mustangs.

This should really spool up the Keystone cops.

Evan, you'll need to post the link. I can't find it.

The Registry also refers to your car as a true replica and Cobra-like. And then there's Ned's statements above. As well as your own stipulation that it's a replica. Modern Shelby Cobras are replicas. Not genuine or real or authentic, because a replica simply cannot be any of those. JUST NOT LOGICAL.

It's the Dolly The Sheep Analogy. It's a clone.

[REAL 1]

[quote=RodKnock;1367249]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Evan, you'll need to post the link. I can't find it.

The Registry also refers to your car as a true replica and Cobra-like. And then there's Ned's statements above. As well as your own stipulation that it's a replica. Modern Shelby Cobras are replicas. Not genuine or real or authentic, because a replica simply cannot be any of those. JUST NOT LOGICAL.

It's the Dolly The Sheep Analogy. It's a clone.

Rod Knock: You are just not getting this. You read and see what you want to see and hear what you want to hear. That's OK. Its just you.

I'm not good at posting links but I have cut and pasted the relevant portions and even cited page numbers in the Registry that are more than clear. Please just read the Registry. It's all explained and in there. Your arguments are jejune at this juncture. This is not difficult stuff. The only reason I am clarifying as this thread goes along is to make sure any new visitors' to this cite researching the issue don't have the issue clouded by petty, envious, trite and hackneyed smears on the current production Cobras. That's all.

What Ned says or doesn't say is not determinative. His knowledge as to the original series doesn't make him an arbiter of the facts, the law, reality, Websters definition and what the Registry itself clearly says on the current production Cobras. No person can change that I don't care who they are. Period. The facts, the law, Websters and the Registry are very clear.

BTW, your posts are still one of the few I will read (completely skip over the others who post at 3rd grade levels with name calling and insults) even though your position is clearly erroneous since you don't stoop to 3rd grade levels in having to personally insult. You are entitled to disagree and have your view but its erroneous. That's all.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

SAAC website statement in or about 2008 in relevant part:

......As far as CSX4000 and CSX7000 cars are concerned, SAAC accepts these cars as genuine Shelby American Cobras (as opposed to "original" Shelby American Cobras). The definition we use to identify an original Cobra is one which was, 1) built between 1961 and 1968, 2) at the direction of and under contract from Carroll Shelby/Shelby American Inc., and 3) sold by Shelby American or one of its franchised dealers. The only difference between original Cobras and CSX4000 and CSX7000 cars is the time frame in which they were built....

Now I get it. You quoted a source that no longer exists. That's why you can't post a link. None exists.

So, the SAAC website statement is gone, huh. I wonder why and I bet the Registry is next. Part 1 of the plan, revise the SAAC website to remove language re: Shelby Cobra replicas, is complete. Part 2, revise Registry is next. Then SAAC will have deleted all "liberties" and call a "spade a spade."

Maybe they'll keep those "Cobra-like" and "true replica" references.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Now I get it. You quoted a source that no longer exists. That's why you can't post a link. None exists.

So, the SAAC website statement is gone, huh. I wonder why and I bet the Registry is next. Part 1 of the plan, revise the SAAC website to remove language re: Shelby Cobra replicas, is complete. Part 2, revise Registry is next. Then SAAC will have deleted all "liberties" and call a "spade a spade."

Maybe they'll keep those "Cobra-like" and "true replica" references.

Ah, another bust - well done! "I'm not too good with Web links" lol.
And he wonders why he has credibility issues

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Now I get it. You quoted a source that no longer exists. That's why you can't post a link. None exists.

So, the SAAC website statement is gone, huh. I wonder why and I bet the Registry is next. Part 1 of the plan, revise the SAAC website to remove language re: Shelby Cobra replicas, is complete. Part 2, revise Registry is next. Then SAAC will have deleted all "liberties" and call a "spade a spade."

Maybe they'll keep those "Cobra-like" and "true replica" references.

Oey vey. Its not gone.

Some people you just can't help.

Yes, if you pray, wish and repeat three times like Dorothy and click your heels together ...just maybe.... Wouldn't that be wonderful for you guys.

In the meantime its all in the Registry.