Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

mullen2 · #1 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 06:27 PM

Jaguar Brings the 1964 E-Type Racer Back to Life - WSJ

Love the E-Type! Follow the above link and watch it being built. I would bet the 6 New cars are better built than the originals. Man would I like to get my hands on one of them.

twobjshelbys · #2 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mullen2

Jaguar Brings the 1964 E-Type Racer Back to Life - WSJ

Love the E-Type! Follow the above link and watch it being built. I would bet the 6 New cars are better built than the originals. Man would I like to get my hands on one of them.

I love them. I love the looks - lines, shape everything.

But if I were to drop $1M on a car (and that is what Jaguar says, and I'm sure they've all been sold, but I doubt they are only $1M) it would be for a untouched 300SL Gullwing. Another "coulda-woulda-shoulda" event.

P.S. The first comment on the article is from an original E-type (but not LWE, I think) owner in Colorado that DRIVES HIS!!!

NewYorkGuy · #3 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 06:54 PM

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NewYorkGuy · #4 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mullen2

Jaguar Brings the 1964 E-Type Racer Back to Life - WSJ

Love the E-Type! Follow the above link and watch it being built. I would bet the 6 New cars are better built than the originals. Man would I like to get my hands on one of them.

there was a CC member (now banned from site) who put a down payment on one of these jags..

jhv48 · #5 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 07:08 PM

I was visiting the sacc forum a while ago and none of those guys seem to have any problem referring to their cars as replicas nor do they consider their cars to be originals.

Guess it's just Evan.

ERANJ · #6 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 07:12 PM

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I was visiting the sacc forum a while ago and none of those guys seem to have any problem referring to their cars as replicas not do they consider their cars to be originals.

Guess it's just Evan.

So the point being what..... that Evan is incorrect because what???????

RodKnock · #7 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 09:28 PM

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I was visiting the sacc forum a while ago and none of those guys seem to have any problem referring to their cars as replicas nor do they consider their cars to be originals.

Guess it's just Evan.

Evan would be shredded by the members of the SAAC Forum, if he claimed his car was a genuine Shelby Cobra.

REAL 1 · #8 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 09:34 PM

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Evan would be shredded by the members of the SAAC Forum, if he claimed his car was a genuine Shelby Cobra.

I'm over there all the time. I've got 0 problems with those guys. Disappointed?

Yeah, the owners of the originals have an issue but candidly they can kiss my arse. Most continuation owners see it as I do.
Even if they didn't couldn't care less either. Facts is facts. Parts is parts.

RodKnock · #9 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 09:37 PM

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I'm over there all the time. I've got 0 problems with those guys. Disappointed?

Yeah, the owners of the originals have an issue but candidly they can kiss my arse. Most continuation owners see it as I do.
Even if they didn't couldn't care less either. Facts is facts. Parts is parts.

Yes, I'm a member over there too. And you don't pull the same BS there as you do here. That's why you have 0 problems. No surprise there.

REAL 1 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 09:50 PM

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Yes, I'm a member over there too. And you don't pull the same BS there as you do here. That's why you have 0 problems. No surprise there.

Yeah, because there are no issues over there with guys suffering from sour grape syndrome knocking the continuation Cobras as mere replicas and not genuine Cobras.

That was easy.

Joe's Garage · #11 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 11:49 PM

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... Yeah, the owners of the originals have an issue but candidly they can kiss my arse ...

So far I count 3 in your support group, did I miss anyone

twobjshelbys · #12 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 11:57 PM

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So far I count 3 in your support group, did I miss anyone

That's because there are only 3 maybe 5 Shelby owners that even bother with this mindless drivel. The rest refuse. Just ask them. But they aren't here ha.. remember that unbiased thing that ain't so.

SFSDFGT · #13 (**permalink**) 10-27-2015, 12:40 AM

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So far I count 3 in your support group, did I miss anyone

You can add me to the list.

As Tony said, many of us are not vocal because frankly we don't have the time or inclination to bother with this nonsense.

The way I see it (and I suspect that many other CSX4000,6000 owners do too), there most certainly IS a difference between a true, CSX-numbered Shelby, and the plethora of "other" Cobras. Not saying that some others (Kirkhams come to mind) might not be a better built car, but there is a reason I/we were willing to pay a bit more for the Shelby badge (and not one installed by the owner to make it look like a Shelby). At shows, people seem quite interested to find that my car is a real (not original 60s) aluminum-bodied Shelby cobra, even though I am quick to point out the year in which it was built, and give a quick rundown of the significant difference in rarity and value between mine and an early, original car. They are just so used to seeing the typical "other" brands, that seeing an actual Shelby-brand cobra is still cool to them.

None of us are idiots. Nobody is confusing their CSX4000/6000 with one built in the 60s. My hat is off to the fortunate few to own those gems. To be truthful, while I could afford to purchase an original, I'm sure that I wouldn't drive it and enjoy it the same way I do my CSX4000 car, yet I still have the satisfaction of having something with a true Shelby badge.

I certainly don't look down on FFRs, Paces, etc. As a true "car guy", I love to see all of these beauties, and the various customizations by their owners. But if the prices of these cars matched the prices of the more recent CSX cars, wouldn't most people just as soon own the real Shelby? I don't get all of the animosity directed at the CSX4000/6000 cars. We're all car people here, right? Can't we all just get along? Lol.

Just my $0.02

REAL 1 · #14 (**permalink**) 10-27-2015, 07:08 AM

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So far I count 3 in your support group, did I miss anyone

Yeah, you missed a whole bunch. A lot. Fact. However, many continuation owners don't bother with this site and you and your buddies are living examples of why as is this thread and every thread you and your buddies get a chance to take a dump on the Continuation Cobras which is frequent.

Oh, yeah, you can add to my support group the SAAC committee that published the words found in post #1111.

Hey, you asked.

RodKnock · #15 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mullen2

Jaguar Brings the 1964 E-Type Racer Back to Life - WSJ

Love the E-Type! Follow the above link and watch it being built. I would bet the 6 New cars are better built than the originals. Man would I like to get my hands on one of them.

Beautiful car and I've always loved them, but they're not original and therefore replicas. Replicas built by Jaguar.

twobjshelbys · #16 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 09:38 PM

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Beautiful car and I've always loved them, but they're not original and therefore replicas. Replicas built by Jaguar.

You are welcome to that opinion but I'm sure if you said that to one of those owners you would be excused from the meeting. The MSO from Jaguar will state otherwise. I'll bet your opinion would just break the heart of one of those 6 lucky people and make them turn into a babbling bowl of jelly and cause the to fall on a sword.

REAL 1 · #17 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 09:52 PM

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You are welcome to that opinion but I'm sure if you said that to one of those owners you would be excused from the meeting. The MSO from Jaguar will state otherwise. I'll bet your opinion would just break the heart of one of those 6 lucky people and make them turn into a babbling bowl of jelly and cause the to fall on a sword.

Gee thats funny. I don't think he would be too welcome at a meeting of Continuation Cobra owners either. Hmmm.

RodKnock · #18 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

You are welcome to that opinion but I'm sure if you said that to one of those owners you would be excused from the meeting. The MSO from Jaguar will state otherwise. I'll bet your opinion would just break the heart of one of those 6 lucky people and make them turn into a babbling bowl of jelly and cause the to fall on a sword.

I would tell them that if you build something that approximates another something which was built 50 years earlier, then you're building a replica. If it's not original, then it's a replica.

The MSO isn't considered logic. Look at Shelby replica MSO's, they state 1965 and Ned has already said that's fraudulent, since they weren't built in 1965.

Logic says not original.

twobjshelbys · #19 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 11:30 PM

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I would tell them that if you build something that approximates another something which was built 50 years earlier, then you're building a replica. If it's not original, then it's a replica.

The MSO isn't considered logic. Look at Shelby replica MSO's, they state 1965 and Ned has already said that's fraudulent, since they weren't built in 1965.

Logic says not original.

The word is continuation. Repeat after me con-tin-u-a-shun

How is that fradulent? Quote me chapter and verse and make a charge in any ( federal, district,state or even small claims) court. Come on ned. And rod. Put up or shut up. No 10 word discussion response here show me a specific section of the us code that is being violated. Note such a claim would also have to apply to the superformance gt40 continuations among others. Where is the charge? Surely the fbi wouldn't let such fraud continue unchecked.

RodKnock · #20 (**permalink**) 10-26-2015, 11:41 PM

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The word is continuation. Repeat after me con-tin-u-a-shun

How is that fradulent? Quote me chapter and verse and make a charge in any ( federal, district,state or even small claims) court. Come on ned. And rod. Put up or shut up. No 10 word discussion response here show me a specific section of the us code that is being violated. Note such a claim would also have to apply to the superformance gt40 continuations among others. Where is the charge? Surely the fbi wouldn't let such fraud continue unchecked.

You must have selective amnesia. I may have to put YOU on my version of Evan's "I'm not going on that merry-go-round from hell again" list.

Tony, we've had this discussion already in this thread. I posted at least a couple threads from Robert Morgester, at that time, the Assistant CA AG. He was prosecuting criminal cases where folks tried to register their cars as 1965's. I'm not going to continue to repeat myself over and over again and then have you bring up the same discussion 20-30 pages later. It is ILLEGAL in CA to register a modern replica, like my Kirkham Cobra, as a model year 1965. That's why they have the 500 SPCNS exemptions each year. In CA, you register by the year manufactured, which in my case was 2007.

Seriously, no one cares about your Mexican-built Green Bay Packer Edition CSX that you used to own many years ago. If your car was not made in 1965, then it would be illegal or FRAUDULENT in CA to register it TODAY as a 1965. And that is a fact. But if you prefer selective amnesia, then that's fine.