Continuation Cobras & SAAC

[Nedsel]

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"So if SAAC is no longer concerned with the current production Cobras maybe Continuation owners should stop registering their cars with SAAC for the next Registry? I guess SAAC doesn't even need a Continuation Series Registar then? Hmmm. Hell, if SAAC is printing stuff they really didn't mean (did they?) because they are "PC" who needs the Registry?

So what is the next Reigistry going to say Ned? The current production Shelby Cobras aren't Shelby Cobras? Puhleese. Really? Why wait. Publish a statement now. "

Rather than defending the same position again and again from (slightly) different vantage points, you may wish to re-read exactly what I said, which is that SAAC has ceded control of anything having to do with the later cars to the organization that built them. Nowhere did I suggest SAAC doesn't welcome them. Nowhere did I say they are not considered Shelby Cobras. For everyone's benefit, stop being such an arrogant and touchy twit and take the time to understand what is being said rather than continue to endlessly defend the same turf even when it hasn't been attacked.

[fordracing65]

I love those words, arrogant and touchy twit, well said...

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I love those words, arrogant and touchy twit, well said...

I'm surprised you know what "arrogant" means. On second thought you probably just took out Websters.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

I'm surprised you know what "arrogant" means. On second thought you probably just took out Websters.

LOL, Websters is for old geezers like you, I'm a young buck, I use SIRI, OLD MAN,,,, do you know what douch bag means, if it's not in your paper Websters, use Google...

[REAL 1]

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Originally Posted by REAL 1

"So if SAAC is no longer concerned with the current production Cobras maybe Continuation owners should stop registering their cars with SAAC for the next Registry? I guess SAAC doesn't even need a Continuation Series Registar then? Hmmm. Hell, if SAAC is printing stuff they really didn't mean (did they?) because they are "PC" who needs the Registry?

So what is the next Reigistry going to say Ned? The current production Shelby Cobras aren't Shelby Cobras? Puhleese. Really? Why wait. Publish a statement now. "

Rather than defending the same position again and again from (slightly) different vantage points, you may wish to re-read exactly what I said, which is that SAAC has ceded control of anything having to do with the later cars to the organization that built them. Nowhere did I suggest SAAC doesn't welcome them. Nowhere did I say they are not considered Shelby Cobras. For everyone's benefit, stop being such an arrogant and touchy twit and take the time to understand what is being said rather than continue to endlessly defend the same turf even when it hasn't been attacked.

Oh, thanks for clarifying. So it was all an honest misunderstanding. Gee I thought so. Then we agree the SAAC statements both then and now and the Registry which is consistent with those statments do clearly and honestly set forth SAAC's view on the current production Cobras (Continuation series). Glad we cleared that all up.

Yeah, I'll try and take your advice about the "arrogant" and touchy "twit stuff" and read more closely and you can follow suit and stop being a pompous a$$ and condescending towards the current production Shelby Cobras and write more clearly what you mean.

[DanEC]

Wow - you guys make the C2 Corvette Forum seem almost tranquil by comparison.

[RodKnock]

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Originally Posted by Nedsel

Oh, thanks for clarifying. So it was all an honest misunderstanding. Gee I thought so. Then we agree the SAAC statements both then and now and the Registry which is consistent with those statments do clearly and honestly set forth SAAC's view on the current production Cobras (Continuation series). Glad we cleared that all up.

Yeah, I'll try and take your advice about the "arrogant" and touchy "twit stuff" and read more closely and you can follow suit and stop being a pompous a$$ and condescending towards the current production Shelby Cobras and write more clearly what you mean.

No one ever said that they're not Shelby Cobra REPLICAS. The Registry still refers to them as Cobra-like and true replicas. And Ned still believes they're replicas.

No matter what is said, it's not a real genuine Shelby Cobra. Shelby Cobra replica yes. A replica cannot be genuine. But you can have a genuine REPLICA.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

No one ever said that they're not Shelby Cobra REPLICAS. The Registry still refers to them as Cobra-like and true replicas. And Ned still believes they're replicas.

No matter what is said, it's not a real genuine Shelby Cobra. Shelby Cobra replica yes. A replica cannot be genuine. But you can have a genuine REPLICA.

Note that CC has mixed up who said what, Nedsel did not say what you have quoted in this reply, it should be ...

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Oh, thanks for clarifying. So it was all an honest misunderstanding. Gee I thought so. Then we agree the SAAC statements both then and now and the Registry which is consistent with those statments do clearly and honestly set forth SAAC's view on the current production Cobras (Continuation series). Glad we cleared that all up.

Yeah, I'll try and take your advice about the "arrogant" and touchy "twit stuff" and read more closely and you can follow suit and stop being a pompous a$$ and condescending towards the current production Shelby Cobras and write more clearly what you mean.

All need to remove the quote reference that is incorrect at the top of the post you are replying to.

[gthompson]

I'm not sure why some people get so hung up on referring to their car as original, real, authentic, copy, replica, reproduction, etc.

Isn't this about being in a community of people that share a common interest or love for the Cobra?

I have a lot of fun hanging out with everyone at our monthly DFW meets and/or drives.

All of these posts just create hard feelings and divisiveness.

I think that the more people involved in this hobby, the better.

[Tutosnake]

Originally Posted by gthompson

I'm not sure why some people get so hung up on referring to their car as original, real, authentic, copy, replica, reproduction, etc.

Isn't this about being in a community of people that share a common interest or love for the Cobra?

I have a lot of fun hanging out with everyone at our monthly DFW meets and/or drives.

All of these posts just create hard feelings and divisiveness.

I think that the more people involved in this hobby, the better.

Unfortunately, it seems every single contributor to this thread missed or ignored your comment. I absolutely agree with you 150%. All these guys miss the point. The hobby is about a car. A hybrid car of sorts. A really ****ty car by many standards. Loud, shaky, nervous,and many times dangerous. A temperamental car. As such, the car will entertain numerous needs, and fulfill many a dream. The originals are better, and some copies can be the best.

I hate myself for chirping in. I rather read, but today I was weak. It's really simple. It's all about your budget, and how rational a person you are. Are you the guy who wants the original, at any cost, and nothing else? You have potentially 998 options. Are you the guy who likes to consider cost/value options and apply them to your financial reality? Then you have plenty of manufacturers and products that'll get you there with a broad degree of variation to suit your situation/need. Branding is a long established entity. From generic (by definition brand-less) to the market defining name. In between, you have a number of options that essentially fill everyone's financial "wisdom". You get what you pay for (in most instances).

I think owners of "Continuation" cars should limit their claims to what the brand they bought actually is. In my case, I bought a Shelby Cobra, CSX6108. Not a real Cobra, but a Shelby replica built 3 years ago, just like the 998 of the 60's (well, there were many less 427 SC, but we all know that). I always tell people it is not an original Cobra, but a replica built by Shelby. People almost unanimously ask where it was built and I simplify it by saying "North Carolina", where my builder resides. EVERYONE GETS IT. In over three years I have yet to hear a disappointed response to my statement. Almost every time I get "It's f'ing awesome". You know why? Because the car IS f'ing awesome. Thats why it is arguably the most replicated car in sports car history.

The theoretical 998 owners (some own more that one, some cars are gone) need not worry and ruminate over the authenticity of their car(s). When confronted with the question "Is it REAL?", you have the right to say "It IS". End of answer. Why would you be upset that people ask? You should not be. Otherwise, you didnt know what you were buying in the first place! It is the most replicated car in the world! What do you expect? You wanted exclusivity for your 2 million dollar car buy? You should have bought that Ferrari or Bugatti...

Lay it down for good. Continuation Cobras are only "Real"to the owner who like me paid the premium for that plaque, because it meant something to him/me. It sure means a lot to me. Is the Kirkham nicer? I could care less. It is a Kirkham, not a Shelby. If I had wanted a cheaper, better built ERA, I would have ordered one. If I had wanted a possibly faster, more comp oriented Backdraft or FF, I would have gotten one. I wanted the replica "built" by Shelby American, and that's what I bought, complete with the Carroll Shelby mystique and distinction. Because no matter what you claim, you can't erase that guy's paternity claim on the Cobra.

The Kirkham owners seem very resolute in propagating or perpetuating the notion that a Shelby Cobra is not worth its premium. Why not? The belief that modern technology (CNC for example) and aluminum have made the 60's obsolete and/or dumb does not trump the fact that Carroll Shelby is whom he is/was. No modern aluminum suspension and/or frame can quiet the glory of Shelby American's racing heritage. Kirkham, or FF, or ERA, or any one else was not there. Let's face it, only Shelby was there with the Cobra for the USA. Therefore, I for one decided to pay (literally and figuratively speaking) tribute to that heritage in buying a CSX6000 car. God knows I did not buy a 2000 or 3000 car because I cannot afford it.

I love the Kirkham polished aluminum cars. God, they are beautiful. I also drool when I see their aluminum everything! Yet, they are not Shelby.

Just my 2 cents...
Cheers and enjoy your Cobra, no matter where it comes from

Cheers

[Joe's Garage]

All that needed to be said ...

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

... I think owners of "Continuation" cars should limit their claims to what the brand they bought actually is. In my case, I bought a Shelby Cobra, CSX6108. Not a real Cobra, but a Shelby replica ...

I always tell people it is not an original Cobra, but a replica built by Shelby ...

If everyone followed those guidelines this thread wouldn't exist.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

Not a real Cobra, but a Shelby replica built 3 years ago, just like the 998 of the 60's (well, there were many less 427 SC, but we all know that). I always tell people it is not an original Cobra, but a replica built by Shelby.

Everyone doesn't get it. Not all Shelby replica owners believe they own a replica, but thankfully you do.

Originally Posted by Tutosnake

The Kirkham owners seem very resolute in propagating or perpetuating the notion that a Shelby Cobra is not worth its premium. Why not? The belief that modern technology (CNC for example) and aluminum have made the 60's obsolete and/or dumb does not trump the fact that Carroll Shelby is whom he is/was. No modern aluminum suspension and/or frame can quiet the glory of Shelby American's racing heritage.

I love the Kirkham polished aluminum cars. God, they are beautiful. I also drool when I see their aluminum everything! Yet, they are not Shelby.

There are other owners here with other brands that believe the Shelby replica isn't worth it. It's not just Kirkham owners. Personally, I thought the CSX plaque was worthless, to me, since it's a replica, built by a successor company 30-50 years later, not 1 of the 998. I consider the connection to be extremely distant at best. And then the Kirkham quality and customer service were excellent.

So, where does the "Shelby replica is not worth it" come from? Well, for instance the 50th Anniversary Shelby 427SC replica roller is $180,000. Kirkham supplies the entire roller to Shelby. You buy it at the same price painted or polished. $180,000. The Kirkham polished roller to the public is $115,000. There may be a few options that I'm not clicking off, but otherwise it's the same car for additional $65,000. so that's the Genesis for the "Shelby is not worth it" crowd.

But I'm very happy that you're a satisfied customer of Shelby. Best of luck.

[jhv48]

Different day, new players, same BS.
My head hurts.