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Old 02-13-2016, 01:55 AM
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I just listed a ERA slab side for sale, take a look
is this the same car?

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This is pictures of a local Doctor who owns the very first ERA slabside, the pictures were taken at Muscle Car City at our annual Reptile Round Up.





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Sure looks like it, dam that's a nice looking car. Love the stance, looks like it has been well cared for.
Best of luck with the sale, someone is going to get a great ride.
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The local doctor "Howard" sold the car as he is having hip surgery and can no longer enjoy the car. Yes he took great care of the car with having only put 700 miles on it.
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i don't want to needle anybody with my newbie repetition...

i think the "doctor's"-car is a nice one,
there is another black 289 slabside csx 8000 at hillbanks for sale with a three times higher price

both fiberglass cars...

is a csx8000 a three times more worth?
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When it says Shelby it guess it says it all.

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When it says Shelby I guess it says it all.

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i don't want to needle anybody with my newbie repetition...

i think the "doctor's"-car is a nice one,
there is another black 289 slabside csx 8000 at hillbanks for sale with a three times higher price

both fiberglass cars...

is a csx8000 a three times more worth?
As a car gets more accurate and more of it replicates the originals, the cost and value gets a lot more expensive. Does that justify three times more expensive? Not sure but I guess its really up to the buyer as to what he's willing to pay.
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i don't want to needle anybody with my newbie repetition...

i think the "doctor's"-car is a nice one,
there is another black 289 slabside csx 8000 at hillbanks for sale with a three times higher price

both fiberglass cars...

is a csx8000 a three times more worth?
If you place value on the Shelby name and the car being a "50TH Anniversary" model then the price is justified. There is price difference from ERA to Superformance to Shelby based upon the level of replication of the original 289 car, i.e. transverse leafs vs. coil overs, etc. Every buyer will place a different value on what they want and perceive as being "correct"

There is no wrong choice, the best car is the one you want and can buy.
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If you place value on the Shelby name and the car being a "50TH Anniversary" model then the price is justified. There is price difference from ERA to Superformance to Shelby based upon the level of replication of the original 289 car, i.e. transverse leafs vs. coil overs, etc. Every buyer will place a different value on what they want and perceive as being "correct"

There is no wrong choice, the best car is the one you want and can buy.
i wonder what an era-dealer would say

....but joking apart:

at the moment there are 4 different types of rebuildings for sale:

era: 65'
spf: 90'
csx: 190' (50th; glass)
csx: 280' (50th; alu)... that would be my preferred choice..

for me the most relevant aspect of originality would be the aluminium-body

and isn't it subordinate if there is a leaf spring or a coil spring when you have a plastic body ?
so i think for me would be the choice: era or csx alu, that is a difference,
(especially in the price..)

...but at the end its all no csx 2000

so why not the era?
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The ERA is outstanding for sure! It all boils down to what is important to the buyer. Aluminum body just add to the cost over a fiberglass body with similar replication underneath.
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so why not the era?
Indeed why not? The ERA is a great product with excellent support. Did you think I would dis ERA? Peter is an acquaintance and a fun guy. They are offering a different answer than Superformance but neither answer is "wrong" it just depends on your wants.

Why go transverse leaf vs. other? Well some buyers want the driving experience to replicate the original car as ell as the appearance. Yes, no one save Shelby and Kirkham have alloy bodies so that is a give away to originality but the cost bump will price many out of the market.
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It's already been stated.
Authentic replication just costs more.
In general the closer a car becomes to that of the 60's the more it costs. (Especially for the buyer)
Same in both 427 land and 289 land.
Kinda beating a dead horse at this point.
For 65k the ERA is awesome.
For double plus a CSX is awesome.
If cost is a factor build a FFR FIA car. Will be less and a nice example.

Why does a suit cost more at JA Banks versus Sears?
It's nicer that's why......

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Indeed why not? The ERA is a great product with excellent support. Did you think I would dis ERA? Peter is an acquaintance and a fun guy. They are offering a different answer than Superformance but neither answer is "wrong" it just depends on your wants.

Why go transverse leaf vs. other? Well some buyers want the driving experience to replicate the original car as ell as the appearance. Yes, no one save Shelby and Kirkham have alloy bodies so that is a give away to originality but the cost bump will price many out of the market.
what about kirkham 289 hybrid? alubody with "wrong" driving experience?

(sorry for needling but i am working hard on my decisions )
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If cost is a factor build a FFR FIA car. Will be less and a nice example.

Why does a suit cost more at JA Banks versus Sears?
It's nicer that's why......
no, costs are not the primary factor (for sure costs are a factor thinking of a csx 2000)

i am thinking about the -best investment/nicest car- relationship
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A buggy car does drive differently than a coil over car. Indeed!
Call David Kirkham.
Ask him for original style buggy car for the cost of a coil or even a KMS buggy car.

Replicas are like the rest of the world. A CSX car will always be more and so on efc.
Kinda like a Toyota Camry will not exceed the cost of a M3 any time soon.
Buy what you can afford and then enjoy it.
Investment buy 2000 car. They stopped making them.

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what about kirkham 289 hybrid? alubody with "wrong" driving experience?

(sorry for needling but i am working hard on my decisions )
No, it is not a "wrong" driving experience, it is a "different" driving experience compared to the 60's CSX car.

It all comes down to what:
A) You want
B) You can afford
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It all comes down to what:
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B) You can afford
C) What is available
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How many different manufacturers produce the 289 Cobra in the street version?

1) Kirkham (alloy)
2) Shelby (glass and alloy)
3) ERA (glass)
4) Superformance (glass)

Are there any others?
As I posted earlier, I think JCF in Coos Bay, Oregon has been building slabsides longer than anyone in the US (possibly the world since I'm not sure when Hawk started). John Paulis is a bit hard to get a hold of though. No web presence, just phone: 541 888 9313.
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A fake is a fake, no matter what name is on it or numbers you pay for it. Unless it's a CSX 2000 or 3000 series car, it's a fake. Who are you kidding when you buy a 'Shelby' fake?
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