What's the deal with Slabside pricing and availability?

[desgros@vtlink.]

Really with what is going on in the market it is increasingly difficult to separate the old from the new, what is real or not. Sometimes the current slabside's are more authentic then the original's. Try finding two originals that are exactly the same.

Shelby often used whatever parts he had on hand in his builds.


John
ERA Slabside #3010

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by desgros@vtlink.

Really with what is going on in the market it is increasingly difficult to separate the old from the new, what is real or not. Sometimes the current slabside's are more authentic then the original's. Try finding two originals that are exactly the same.

Shelby often used whatever parts he had on hand in his builds.


John
ERA Slabside #3010

Not that difficult for me.

Old/Authentic/Original/Real/Genuine = 1960's Shelby/AC Cobra = $1,000,000 +/-

New/Replica = Any Cobra not produced in the 1960's = $100,000 +/-

You're obviously new here. We've banged this subject around for a decade plus.

[jolsen42]

I'm still trying to figure out this statement. Sort of an oxymoron.

John O

Originally Posted by desgros@vtlink.

Sometimes the current slabside's are more authentic then the original's.
John
ERA Slabside #3010

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by jolsen42

I'm still trying to figure out this statement. Sort of an oxymoron.

John O

I can't wait for the Rolex/Dodge Challenger/Van Halen/etc. analogy. It's coming. Wait for it...

[stephen_becker]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I can't wait for the Rolex/Dodge Challenger/Van Halen/etc. analogy. It's coming. Wait for it...

So ya see Dave was in the band for many many years........& then along came Sammy

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by stephen_becker

So ya see Dave was in the band for many many years........& then along came Sammy

... and then Sammy said I ain't big on practice so you boys call me when ya get a gig ... then away went Sammy

[LMH]

Originally Posted by jolsen42

I'm still trying to figure out this statement. Sort of an oxymoron.

John O

I suppose a very few replicas could be built more accurate (day one) than most originals are today. Very few originals are very original after 50+ years. The big thing is that even if CSX2XXX doesn't have much left that's original, it's still CSX2XXX. No replica is ever going to be able to top that part!
Larry

[peterpjb]

sorry for quoting the wrong guy and sorry for repeating old stuff

[peterpjb]

i read that thread a bit diagonal and i understand your sensitivities, especially when the same old arguments come from a newbie.

but let me explain my newbie-status

i am not yet an owner of a cobra but i hope i will be soon (not easy to decide and not easy to find the right one)

i am involved in (european) classic cars for about 30 years and i think i know a little about that stuff.

i rebooted my special cobra interest only a few month ago, so i am far away from beeing a cobra specialist but i think i have a little overview meanwhile,

i started my cobra interest while searching for an ac ace, missed a very cool offer for a 2.6 ace ruddspeed and stated that the "normal" ace and ace bristol are quite expensive nowadays , (in 1999 i rejected an offer to change my '61 alfa giulietta spider 1/1 to an ace bristol )

beside that i am not a collector but looking for fun while driving
so i thought hardly any ac ace or 356 speedster would be more fun to drive than my giulietta because they all have quite the same power

the logical conclusion is the same drawn 50 years ago: ace with much more power = cobra

but in my opinion a cobra is a complete other thing than the most european collectables;
it is a kit car from the beginning, the cobra is not a specific car like a jaguar, ferrari, or a porsche, but it is a manufacturing-concept
that concept is even strengthened while using it since 50 years

i would never ever think about driving a porsche 356 speedster replica but i am thinking about driving a quality cobra (289) rebuilt, because its the original manufacturing-concept

i am a fan of craftsmanship and therefore i am opting for an alubody but probably i will not spend a 100 grands extra for another vinplate

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

i would never ever think about driving a porsche 356 speedster replica but i am thinking about driving a quality cobra (289) rebuilt, because its the original manufacturing-concept

i am a fan of craftsmanship and therefore i am opting for an alubody but probably i will not spend a 100 grands extra for another vinplate

I'm also a Porsche owner and I'd have no problem with driving a speedster replica. However, I'd never drive one to a PCA event. Those Porsche owners can be mean.

If you're thinking of an alloy body, then a Kirkham roller is $100,000 and the Shelby roller is $160,000. I think Evan (Real 1) posted somewhere, maybe his for sale ad, that the Shelby alloy roller is $164,000. But it's in that price range.

Everyone has their own price sensitivities and opinion about real/genuine/original/authentic/replica/reproduction/clone/tribute/etc. And whatever you buy, the choice you make will be the best Cobra for you.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I'm also a Porsche owner and I'd have no problem with driving a speedster replica. However, I'd never drive one to a PCA event. Those Porsche owners can be mean.

If you're thinking of an alloy body, then a Kirkham roller is $100,000 and the Shelby roller is $160,000. I think Evan (Real 1) posted somewhere, maybe his for sale ad, that the Shelby alloy roller is $164,000. But it's in that price range.

Everyone has their own price sensitivities and opinion about real/genuine/original/authentic/replica/reproduction/clone/tribute/etc. And whatever you buy, the choice you make will be the best Cobra for you.

LOL.. . I have owned a number of Porches since 1969 and currently have 3 of them, if you count a Cayman..... I also have a georgeous replica 356a JPS Coupe and I will shove a 911 out of the way to drive it.

I love to take it to Porsche events just to get their reaction.

My favorite Porsche joke is " How do you tell a porcupine from a Porsche ?

....with a porcupine, the pricks are on the outside "...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

LOL.. . I have owned a number of Porches since 1969 and currently have 3 of them, if you count a Cayman..... I also have a georgeous replica 356a JPS Coupe and I will shove a 911 out of the way to drive it.

I love to take it to Porsche events just to get their reaction.

My favorite Porsche joke is " How do you tell a porcupine from a Porsche ?

....with a porcupine, the pricks are on the outside "...

I think the "prick pool" has been diluted due to the advent of the modern water cooled Porsches like the Cayman, Cayenne, Boxster, Macan, etc.

The sales to the "soccer mom" market segment has almost sent us "pricks" in our air-cooled 911's nearly to extinction.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

i read that thread a bit diagonal and i understand your sensitivities, especially when the same old arguments come from a newbie.

but let me explain my newbie-status

i am not yet an owner of a cobra but i hope i will be soon (not easy to decide and not easy to find the right one)

i am involved in (european) classic cars for about 30 years and i think i know a little about that stuff.

i rebooted my special cobra interest only a few month ago, so i am far away from beeing a cobra specialist but i think i have a little overview meanwhile,

i started my cobra interest while searching for an ac ace, missed a very cool offer for a 2.6 ace ruddspeed and stated that the "normal" ace and ace bristol are quite expensive nowadays , (in 1999 i rejected an offer to change my '61 alfa giulietta spider 1/1 to an ace bristol )

beside that i am not a collector but looking for fun while driving
so i thought hardly any ac ace or 356 speedster would be more fun to drive than my giulietta because they all have quite the same power

the logical conclusion is the same drawn 50 years ago: ace with much more power = cobra

but in my opinion a cobra is a complete other thing than the most european collectables;
it is a kit car from the beginning, the cobra is not a specific car like a jaguar, ferrari, or a porsche, but it is a manufacturing-concept
that concept is even strengthened while using it since 50 years

i would never ever think about driving a porsche 356 speedster replica but i am thinking about driving a quality cobra (289) rebuilt, because its the original manufacturing-concept

i am a fan of craftsmanship and therefore i am opting for an alubody but probably i will not spend a 100 grands extra for another vinplate

Kirkham 289 model with a differential is right about $100,000. You'll need drivetrain from there. Be forewarned, 289 stuff is very expensive and hard to come by if you're into originality.
Larry

[peterpjb]

thanks, indeed i am opting for a kirkham 289 fia, i live in germany and the registration options here are very restrictive, so i need to find a car with a german registration, the one i am opting for is complete but needs some work for looking as i imagine, but i think thats normal.....

[LMH]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

thanks, indeed i am opting for a kirkham 289 fia, i live in germany and the registration options here are very restrictive, so i need to find a car with a german registration, the one i am opting for is complete but needs some work for looking as i imagine, but i think thats normal.....

That's cool! A few years ago, a friend sold his Kirkham to a buyer in Germany and the car was shipped there. After some obnoxious amount of time, the car was finally getting close to being registered. The German official who took the car for it's certification drive, stepped on the gas, lost control and wrecked the car. The frame and body both were beyond repair and a new assembly had to be ordered. I'm not sure it's finished yet!
Larry

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

Kirkham 289 model with a differential is right about $100,000. You'll need drivetrain from there. Be forewarned, 289 stuff is very expensive and hard to come by if you're into originality.
Larry

How did you get to your $100,000 price differential?

[LMH]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

How did you get to your $100,000 price differential?

I clicked on the differential option on the price list and the total showed just under $100,000 with options.
Larry

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

Kirkham 289 model with a differential is right about $100,000. Larry

Then can you take me through your calculations on how you arrived at a $100,000 differential? Differential between what? I don't understand.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Then can you take me through your calculations on how you arrived at a $100,000 differential? Differential between what? I don't understand.

It's not a $100,000 differential, it's adding the differential to the cost of the car.
You know, ring, pinion, case Etc. Go to the site and look at the price list. You'll see what I'm talking about.
Larry

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

Kirkham 289 model with a differential is right about $100,000. You'll need drivetrain from there. Larry

Now I get it.

"Price differential" versus the price "with a differential" (rear end).