Evan's (REAL1) Car On The Market

[CompClassics]

Funny comparison but VW quits building the beetle years ago and then decides to bring it back into production, it bares very little to no resemblance of the original air cooled beetle that preceded it but it is still considered a VW Beetle. The same can be said for the Chevrolet Camaro as well as many other manufacturers and models. There is ONLY one manufacturer that has a VIN that carries "CSX...." and that is a Shelby built Cobra be it a 289,427 or Daytona it's still a Shelby Cobra and it's a hell of a lot closer in resemblance than the new Beetle is.
I believe that Evan believed that his Cobra was as original as the 1960s Cobras, it is. You can not label a Superformance MkIII a Shelby Cobra and justly you can not label a Shelby Cobra a Superformance MkIII.

[jhv48]

Brilliant! Why didn't we think of that?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

Funny comparison but VW quits building the beetle years ago and then decides to bring it back into production, it bares very little to no resemblance of the original air cooled beetle that preceded it but it is still considered a VW Beetle. The same can be said for the Chevrolet Camaro as well as many other manufacturers and models. There is ONLY one manufacturer that has a VIN that carries "CSX...." and that is a Shelby built Cobra be it a 289,427 or Daytona it's still a Shelby Cobra and it's a hell of a lot closer in resemblance than the new Beetle is.
I believe that Evan believed that his Cobra was as original as the 1960s Cobras, it is. You can not label a Superformance MkIII a Shelby Cobra and justly you can not label a Shelby Cobra a Superformance MkIII.

Evan 2.0.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Evan 2.0.

Update Log
Evan 1.0: Initial Release
Evan 2.0: Typos and grammar fixed

... they should have held the 2.0 release and fixed the flawed logic algorithms

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

Funny comparison but VW quits building the beetle years ago and then decides to bring it back into production, it bares very little to no resemblance of the original air cooled beetle that preceded it but it is still considered a VW Beetle. The same can be said for the Chevrolet Camaro as well as many other manufacturers and models. There is ONLY one manufacturer that has a VIN that carries "CSX...." and that is a Shelby built Cobra be it a 289,427 or Daytona it's still a Shelby Cobra and it's a hell of a lot closer in resemblance than the new Beetle is.
I believe that Evan believed that his Cobra was as original as the 1960s Cobras, it is. You can not label a Superformance MkIII a Shelby Cobra and justly you can not label a Shelby Cobra a Superformance MkIII.

A real car manufacturer builds their own engines and body designs. Porsche. Ferrari. McLaren.
Shelby was/is a tuning company. Bodies from there. Engines from everywhere.
Well they do manufacture nice shiny csx plates. Machined in house or farmed out?
I guess those 50th annv Rebadged kirkham cobras will be "real cobra" in the year 2066.

[CompClassics]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

A real car manufacturer builds their own engines and body designs. Porsche. Ferrari. McLaren.
Shelby was/is a tuning company. Bodies from there. Engines from everywhere.
Well they do manufacture nice shiny csx plates. Machined in house or farmed out?
I guess those 50th annv Rebadged kirkham cobras will be "real cobra" in the year 2066.

Actually,
It is not as you state above, being in the industry for many years a manufacturer does not necessarily do their own designing, engineering or manufacturing of their own vehicles or parts all of the time. Many manufacturers today utilize other companies to do these things. When Chevrolet was designing their C5 Corvette they turned to Porsche to design the torque tube and transaxle systems. When Porsche first opened his business doors it was as a engineering firm. many automotive manufacturing companies (Ford, Chevrolet, Porsche , Audi, etc) have other automotive manufacturing companies supply a base vehicle where the company then produces its own exterior and some drivetrain components and then they call it their own brand, the VW Tourag was a perfect example, it provided a base vehicle to Porsche and Audi for their respective SUV market. Porsche even utilized the VW VR6 engine in its base model Cayenne. This has been going on since the beginning of the automobile with chassis manufacturers supply chassis to coach builders to complete and call their own. This practice has taken place with normal production run vehicles all the way up to high end limited production specials.

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

Actually,
It is not as you state above, being in the industry for many years a manufacturer does not necessarily do their own designing, engineering or manufacturing of their own vehicles or parts all of the time. Many manufacturers today utilize other companies to do these things. When Chevrolet was designing their C5 Corvette they turned to Porsche to design the torque tube and transaxle systems. When Porsche first opened his business doors it was as a engineering firm. many automotive manufacturing companies (Ford, Chevrolet, Porsche , Audi, etc) have other automotive manufacturing companies supply a base vehicle where the company then produces its own exterior and some drivetrain components and then they call it their own brand, the VW Tourag was a perfect example, it provided a base vehicle to Porsche and Audi for their respective SUV market. Porsche even utilized the VW VR6 engine in its base model Cayenne. This has been going on since the beginning of the automobile with chassis manufacturers supply chassis to coach builders to complete and call their own. This practice has taken place with normal production run vehicles all the way up to high end limited production specials.

Psst, it is 2016.
Everyone s moved on except for Cobras cars and their specialized mom&pop shops. Cobra $$$$ keeps your business afloat. Keep on spreading the Cobra gospel. . Contact Dario F. He did not a problem ponying $228K for Csx4206. Dario liked the stories

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

A real car manufacturer builds their own engines and body designs. Porsche. Ferrari. McLaren.
Shelby was/is a tuning company. Bodies from there. Engines from everywhere.
Well they do manufacture nice shiny csx plates. Machined in house or farmed out?
I guess those 50th annv Rebadged kirkham cobras will be "real cobra" in the year 2066.

Well, where do we start with this sh#t?
Might want to check some chassis builders like Pinnanfarina for Ferrari and many others. Then maybe check Audi using Lamborghini engines in their cars.
The list goes on...
Point is that everyone out-sources what they need to build a car. Still happening today.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Bernica

Well, where do we start with this sh#t?
Might want to check some chassis builders like Pinnanfarina for Ferrari and many others. Then maybe check Audi using Lamborghini engines in their cars.
The list goes on...
Point is that everyone out-sources what they need to build a car. Still happening today.

Or GM using rebadged Suzukis.

Move on now. Nothing new will be added from this point on.

[Bernica]

Agreed. It was a nice run though...

[Tim7139]

Originally Posted by Bernica

Well, where do we start with this sh#t?
Might want to check some chassis builders like Pinnanfarina for Ferrari and many others. Then maybe check Audi using Lamborghini engines in their cars.
The list goes on...
Point is that everyone out-sources what they need to build a car. Still happening today.

Actually, it's the other way around. It's the primary I bought an Gallardo back in '08. Italian styling....German electrics, running gear, powertrain. What you'd call a perfect combination.

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by Tim7139

Actually, it's the other way around. It's the primary I bought an Gallardo back in '08. Italian styling....German electrics, running gear, powertrain. What you'd call a perfect combination.

They put that Gallardo V-10 in the Audi S8 in 2007

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Nothing new will be added from this point on.

I agree. Let's just say congrats to Evan, wish him the best and eat some Quesalupas at the next club meeting.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

... Evan NEVER claimed CSX4206 was an original 1960's Cobra. This is lunacy at the highest level. ...

I like to see threads end on a factual note so let's "correct the record". Although what CompClassics said is lunacy of the highest level, Evan did in fact try to sell CSX4206 earlier as an "Original Shelby 427 Cobra" knowing damn well he ordered and owned a Continuation Shelby.

We should be done here now.

[RodKnock]

[quote=CompClassics;1385097]I believe that Evan believed that his Cobra was as original as the 1960s Cobras, it is./QUOTE]

ComClassics did say "as original" not "an original." I misread that statement. My apologies.

But originals didn't have a Kirkham bodies.

[peterpjb]

from my non authoritative point of view it is the following:

the csx owners say: a csx is a csx
the others say: they are not ....

[RodKnock]

Folks, we've plowed this road before. Here's the 64-page thread which was closed by Jamo.

Vaya con Dios. Enjoy!

Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[kanuck]

Talk about a swan song and a fitting end to his time here, he spoke his mind, got banned, and then sold the car not to long after. So maybe he did get the last laugh, he sure has no reason to come back here so I am sure he won't miss it, and set a new bar as far as 4000 series, what a way to go. Take care Evan.

Dean

[RodKnock]

I stand corrected.

I also edited my post since I've been there, done that and got a t-shirt already.

[Joe's Garage]

Too bad he also said "it is", we all know it ain't