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[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

porsche and vw were together since the beginning, even in 1973

Depends on how you define "together." But you know what I meant. Someone just likes to argue. Porsche's are mass produced automobiles today and some would argue no longer really Porsches, because "together" changed.

[peterpjb]

i have had them all, my current 991s is as genuine and sharp as my first 911sc

and btw the first 356 were some slightly tuned beetles, nothing else, nowadays vws and porsches dont have anything in common

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

i have had them all, my current 991s is as genuine and sharp as my first 911sc

and btw the first 356 were some slightly tuned beetles, nothing else, nowadays vws and porsches dont have anything in common

Well, that's debatable!
They do use common parts - like the same anti-emissions-by-pass-technology.

Enjoy.

Volkswagen emissions scandal widens to include Porsche and Audi, regulators say - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

All in good fun, but where there's smoke there's fire.
The way corporates run thief business, it just goes to show that government is merely "middle management"

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

i have had them all, my current 991s is as genuine and sharp as my first 911sc

and btw the first 356 were some slightly tuned beetles, nothing else, nowadays vws and porsches dont have anything in common

Totally disagree. After 1998 (993), the last air-cooled Porsche, they're not REAL Porsches any more IMO. They went from hand-made to mass-produced with the introduction of the 996. And today's 991 is the Titanic in comparison to the older models and the traditional 911 shape lost.

The 991 is a great car, but VW/Audi/Porsche combo lost its direction/way in terms of the 911. Today's Porsche has '14 GT3 engine fires, recalls for emissions defeating software, getting rid of manual transmissions (but now bring it back in the next gen GT3), etc.

Nah, I'll just continue to enjoy my REAL air-cooled Porsche.

[Tim7139]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Totally disagree. After 1998 (993), the last air-cooled Porsche, they're not REAL Porsches any more IMO. They went from hand-made to mass-produced with the introduction of the 996. And today's 991 is the Titanic in comparison to the older models and the traditional 911 shape lost.

The 991 is a great car, but VW/Audi/Porsche combo lost its direction/way in terms of the 911. Today's Porsche has '14 GT3 engine fires, recalls for emissions defeating software, getting rid of manual transmissions (but now bring it back in the next gen GT3), etc.

Nah, I'll just continue to enjoy my REAL air-cooled Porsche.

That's why I hung on for years owning both ends of the spectrum until recently......'62 356 roadster & '97 [993] C4S.

[Blue66]

Listen ..... I think I hear someone laughing an counting $$$$ .. Never say never guys

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Totally disagree. After 1998 (993), the last air-cooled Porsche, they're not REAL Porsches any more IMO. They went from hand-made to mass-produced with the introduction of the 996. And today's 991 is the Titanic in comparison to the older models and the traditional 911 shape lost.

The 991 is a great car, but VW/Audi/Porsche combo lost its direction/way in terms of the 911. Today's Porsche has '14 GT3 engine fires, recalls for emissions defeating software, getting rid of manual transmissions (but now bring it back in the next gen GT3), etc.

Nah, I'll just continue to enjoy my REAL air-cooled Porsche.

dont know if you have a real comparison, your statement is exactly that what everbody thinks that should be stated about porsches,

i am using my porsches for daily and frequent riding, about 20 -25 t miles a year,
so i have to change quite often, in sum i rode about half a million miles on 911
i never had a porsche with automatic transmission, you can get even the newer with manual trans, (exception is the 991 gt3)
it is true that the quality of the aircooled ones was better (is sold my 964 with over 200t miles) but they are gone and the newer are faster and better in driving dynamics, (german autobahn is daily competition ) the 996 and 997 quality was a nightmare but porsche gives a guarantee up to ten years, so it was no problem,
the 911 g-models were a nightmare in driving on fast and curved autobahn-sections, you cannot know this, but in germany there is no speed limit and especially the bmws and audis had the much better suspensions in former times and were faster on these curved autobahn-sections, (i am talking about 150 mph sections), with the 964 4wd porsche began to solve these problem, getting better with 996 / 997 and the 991 has the best suspension i ever rode in a street car, (no more bmws and audis passing me ), i have to admit that the 991 engine feels a bit softer than the 997 engine which was the most brutal engine (3,8s) in all my 911
and finally: i don't care that much about emission defeating software....

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

your statement is exactly that what everbody thinks that should be stated about porsches.

Exactly!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

it is true that the quality of the aircooled ones was better

but they are gone and the newer are faster and better in driving dynamics

the 996 and 997 quality was a nightmare but porsche gives a guarantee up to ten years, so it was no problem

You basically sum it up. Air-cooled quality better. New cars are faster and better drivers for daily transportation. And the newer cars such as the 996's and 997's were quality nightmares. Engine fires in the '14 GT3 didn't help either.

The rest of us just advocate for a return to a smaller, less gizmos, noisier and more soul-full driving of the early cars. You know, REAL (1998 or earlier) Porsche's.

Calling most Porsche enthusiasts wrong is certainly ONE person's opinion not widely held at least here in the USA.

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

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Calling most Porsche enthusiasts wrong is certainly ONE person's opinion not widely held at least here in the USA.

while driving with speedlimit of 55 i understand that driving perfomance has maybe another relevance for you,
and maybe we are mixing classic cars and modern cars features

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

while driving with speedlimit of 55 i understand that driving perfomance has maybe another relevance for you,
and maybe we are mixing classic cars and modern cars features

Here in the USA, we actually have these things called racetracks.

[rodneym]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

while driving with speedlimit of 55 i understand that driving perfomance has maybe another relevance for you,
and maybe we are mixing classic cars and modern cars features

How dare you call RodKnock out for driving 55 MPH

Anybody who knows RodKnock knows that he doesn't drive