Club Cobra Gas - N Exhaust  

Go Back   Club Cobra > Cobra Talk Areas > ALL COBRA TALK

MMG Superformance
Nevada Classics
Keith Craft Racing
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
November 2025
S M T W T F S
            1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30            

Kirkham Motorsports

Like Tree9Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2016, 05:29 PM
Dangerous Doug's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Scotts Valley, CA
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 289 FIA #2108
Posts: 1,882
Not Ranked     
Default

"You can take the donkey to the top of the mountain, or you can take the tram. It is the same price." Ron White, "Worst Donkey Ride Salespitch, ever"

I think the idea behind comparing the price for the AC MKIV with the Kirkham roller price is all about comparing to the nearest alternative option.

Both are aluminum. Neither are "real" Shelby's. One is ready to run with a 302, and the other is going to take the GDP of a small country to complete. If you're in the market for a Cobra and were considering a Kirkham...

It IS interesting that Kirkham has become a standard by which others are compared. I would think there would be more to gain by playing the "AC" angle, the heritage, the spawning into the Shelby Cobra, the second act, blah bla blah.

But...

"You can take the donkey to the top of the mountain..."

DD
__________________
Dangerous Doug

"You're kidding, right?"
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2016, 05:57 PM
RodKnock's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
Posts: 9,592
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dangerous Doug View Post
"You can take the donkey to the top of the mountain, or you can take the tram. It is the same price." Ron White, "Worst Donkey Ride Salespitch, ever"

I think the idea behind comparing the price for the AC MKIV with the Kirkham roller price is all about comparing to the nearest alternative option.

Both are aluminum. Neither are "real" Shelby's. One is ready to run with a 302, and the other is going to take the GDP of a small country to complete. If you're in the market for a Cobra and were considering a Kirkham...

It IS interesting that Kirkham has become a standard by which others are compared. I would think there would be more to gain by playing the "AC" angle, the heritage, the spawning into the Shelby Cobra, the second act, blah bla blah.

But...

"You can take the donkey to the top of the mountain..."

DD
They're both aluminum. That's where the similarity ends for me.

A $100,000 kit car roller, which must go through various hoops to be registered in most states isn't the same as a legally register-able Ford product sold thru dealers in the 1980's.

And I'm assuming that there are recent sales of AC MKIV's to use for the best price comparison. I know what the seller is trying to do, he's using the Kirkham roller price of $100,000 to justify his higher price of $120,000, when other MK IV sales are less than $100,000.

Lastly, AC MKIV had so many changes to make them legal, say like 5mph bumpers and what has been described by AC MKIV owners as an anemic 302, etc., that a Kirkham to me is an apples and oranges comparison to me.

Of course, that's just my $0.02.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2016, 06:25 PM
Senile Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Buffalo, NY USA, NY
Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance
Posts: 4,566
Not Ranked     
Default

The AC Mk IV market is strong, especially in Europe. Nice unbuggered cars are selling in the 120-140K range. No, they are NOT a '60s Cobra but they are the genuine alloy version that could be bought over the counter in the 1980s.
CompClassics likes this.
__________________
"I'm high all right, but on the real thing....powerful gasoline and a clean windshield..."

rick@autoventureusa.net
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2016, 07:55 PM
Dimis's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne, Vic
Cobra Make, Engine: Some polish thing... With some old engine
Posts: 2,286
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock View Post
.....what has been described by AC MKIV owners as an anemic 302, etc., that a Kirkham to me is an apples and oranges comparison to me.
Yes, but if one is looking to buy fruit, then both, either, or, an apple or orange may well do.

Just as long as they aint getting a lemon
__________________
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2016, 08:08 PM
RodKnock's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
Posts: 9,592
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dimis View Post
Yes, but if one is looking to buy fruit, then both, either, or, an apple or orange may well do.

Just as long as they aint getting a lemon
Aussies. Who can understand them?
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 03-15-2016, 08:27 PM
Dimis's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Melbourne, Vic
Cobra Make, Engine: Some polish thing... With some old engine
Posts: 2,286
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock View Post
Aussies. Who can understand them?
Too cryptic for you?
I'll try English next time
__________________
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:56 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy
Links monetized by VigLink