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mikeinatlanta 06-22-2016 02:48 PM

Question for the experts: What's the difference in the vin# and warranty#

Bernica 06-22-2016 02:52 PM

According to my book straight from Ford for 63-65, the serial numbers read as follows by digit numbers from left to right...

Model Year
Assembly Plant
Body Serial Code
Engine Code
The remaining numbers are the consecutive unit number

Now an original car ID Plate would also have numbers on the top of the plate identifying body type, color code, trim code, date code, rear axle and trans codes.

This number being discussed is the serial number...

Bernica 06-22-2016 03:06 PM

Here you go...

http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/...psddvzuemt.jpg

mrmustang 06-22-2016 04:30 PM

The VIN: 5F07C735272

Decodes as follows:

5=1965
F=Dearborn Assembly Plant
07=2dr Mustang Coupe
C=289 2V low compression engine
735272 is the production line number, usually starting at 100001

In this case, the original owner of the car used an existing Mustang Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) to register the car.

It is my hope that the car the VIN came from is no longer in existence, as to have two vehicles with the same VIN, being actively titled in the federal database will cause all sorts of headaches for the owners.

As for your original question:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta (Post 1395766)
Question for the experts: What's the difference in the vin# and warranty#

A VIN is stamped into the frame of a vehicle, thus identifying that vehicle with that decodable set of numbers and letters unique to that particular vehicle.

A Warranty plate is not permanently affixed to a chassis (pop rivets or rose rivets are not permanent), thus when you see such a plate mounted on a drivers door (in the case of a vintage Mustang)

http://www.martiauto.com/products/tagd-65.jpg

The warranty number is the identical number/letter combination to the VIN permanently stamped into the chassis. You'll notice this tag is also marked below the VIN: "Not for title or Registration Purposes", again the reason for this is because it is not permanently attached to the chassis.

Hope this answers your question(s)


Bill S.

Bernica 06-22-2016 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 1395782)
In this case, the original owner of the car used an existing Mustang Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) to register the car.

It is my hope that the car the VIN came from is no longer in existence, as to have two vehicles with the same VIN, being actively titled in the federal database will cause all sorts of headaches for the owners.
Bill S.

You can don that? I still wonder why it just doesn't have an FFR number..
This would be red flag problems in CA I would think. Maybe I'm wrong since he got it registered (somehow).:confused:

mikeinatlanta 06-22-2016 04:46 PM

Thanks,
Old stang still around or not, sure don't see how this is legal. Not an expert though.

mrmustang 06-22-2016 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernica (Post 1395783)
You can do that?

No, you can't legally use an existing chassis number on a completely different chassis/vehicle. It's a Federal offense.

Bernica 06-22-2016 04:48 PM

And just how many '65 Mustangs has anyone seen hauled to a scrap yard lately?

mrmustang 06-22-2016 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta (Post 1395785)
Thanks,
Old stang still around or not, sure don't see how this is legal. Not an expert though.

Again, it's not legal.

My thoughts on this, Greed makes good people do bad things.


Bill S.

RodKnock 06-22-2016 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 1395782)
In this case, the original owner of the car used an existing Mustang Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) to register the car.

It is my hope that the car the VIN came from is no longer in existence, as to have two vehicles with the same VIN, being actively titled in the federal database will cause all sorts of headaches for the owners.

Bill S.

So, the builder of this FFR decided to register it with the VIN of a 1965 Mustang? Why? What's the point of that? Cheap registration fees? Avoid emissions controls?

And how the heck would a buyer go about checking a Federal database to figure if the original 1965 Mustang was destroyed? And what does it matter, if it was destroyed, it's not like the original car was rebuilt. The FFR is completely different car and it's a kit car.

I can't even imagine going into the CA DMV and explaining that story. I mean, I had a hard time just getting them to get my name and address correct. :LOL::CRY:

Every time I simply buy a used car from out-of-state, they give me the "3rd degree."

Bernica 06-22-2016 04:53 PM

I believe there are folks out there with access to the Fed Database that can run that number and give you the who, what and where one or both cars are...just sayin'.

RodKnock 06-22-2016 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 1395786)
No, you can't legally use an existing chassis number on a completely different chassis/vehicle. It's a Federal offense.

That's great. Buy a Cobra, go to jail. Seriously, if that's true, then I'd give the car back to the seller, if I were Mr. Becker, and say, "Here, you sell it."

Bernica 06-22-2016 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 1395788)
Again, it's not legal.

My thoughts on this, Greed makes good people do bad things.


Bill S.

My good friend that has a small body shop ran across same deal on a "classic car" and suspected something up. Had it hauled out of his shop unfinished. About 2 weeks later the owner was arrested and the car was seized and destroyed. Pretty expensive game.

mikeinatlanta 06-22-2016 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernica (Post 1395794)
Pretty expensive game.

especially when you publish the info online for all to see.

RodKnock 06-22-2016 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernica (Post 1395794)
My good friend that has a small body shop ran across same deal on a "classic car" and suspected something up. Had it hauled out of his shop unfinished. About 2 weeks later the owner was arrested and the car was seized and destroyed. Pretty expensive game.

Well, I know a guy, who knows a guy. :LOL:

RodKnock 06-22-2016 05:11 PM

Ya, but it's got a side-oiler. That's got to count for something. Probably could pay your attorney fees to get you out of prison. :LOL:

Sorry, that humor again.

Bernica 06-22-2016 05:13 PM

And here is an example on how they do it when you are caught!:eek:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzBFwFos-o0[/ame]

jacobsed 06-22-2016 05:17 PM

It most definitely was that one. I wasn't interested in it because I wanted the Bondurant built SPF next to it and they said "would you be interested for $48K?"

Here is a link to the Bondurant SPF they had at the same time.

1965 Shelby Cobra | http://www.vanguardmotorsales.com/

Quote:

Originally Posted by stephen_becker (Post 1395587)
My client paid the asking price of $ 54,995.00 from Vanguard / He bought it off of eBay from them - here was the info - Not sure what car you were looking at in the 40's but it was not this one

1965 Ford Cobra | http://www.vanguardmotorsales.com/


mrmustang 06-22-2016 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacobsed (Post 1395802)
It most definitely was that one. I wasn't interested in it because I wanted the Bondurant built SPF next to it and they said "would you be interested for $48K?"

Here is a link to the Bondurant SPF they had at the same time.

1965 Shelby Cobra | http://www.vanguardmotorsales.com/

An interesting side note on this particular car, Vanguard did not sell the car on Ebay, as the last auction they had on this car (CLICK HERE) the car was only bid up to $33,601.50, with the reserve not met. This was on May 19, 2014 .

Bill S.

Bernica 06-22-2016 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacobsed (Post 1395802)
It most definitely was that one. I wasn't interested in it because I wanted the Bondurant built SPF next to it and they said "would you be interested for $48K?"

Here is a link to the Bondurant SPF they had at the same time.

1965 Shelby Cobra | http://www.vanguardmotorsales.com/

Would you buy a car from that schmuck?
Sorry, I tried to watch the video but had to hurl!
I can't stand a sales pitch or salesman like that. Maybe just me, but I doubt it.
Actually pretty funny just to watch him try to hock his wares...


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