Lance Stander (Superformance) makes Forbes

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

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I'm not buying what either you or Lance are shoveling. Sorry, but there would have to be a complete breakdown in communication between the Forbes writer and Lance for all those "factual errors" to get printed.

Have you ever been interviewed for a print medium? I have been (and for an automotive enthusiast publication at that) and what was offered and what was printed differed. And that was to a journalist who is a "car guy"! Imagine with someone who does not begin to understand what is being said.

Was there some hyperbole offered? Likely. Was there out and out misinformation? Not likely as there are too man y like this forum ready to call out misinformation.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Have you ever been interviewed for a print medium? I have been (and for an automotive enthusiast publication at that) and what was offered and what was printed differed. And that was to a journalist who is a "car guy"! Imagine with someone who does not begin to understand what is being said.

Was there some hyperbole offered? Likely. Was there out and out misinformation? Not likely as there are too man y like this forum ready to call out misinformation.

You can buy it, as an SPF dealer, and others here can buy it, but I'm not.

And yes, I have been interviewed in my life. It was in middle school....

And I've also read thousands and thousands and thousands of them along with their occasional retractions and corrections.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I love how you slip in a sales pitch for the MKII in your explanation and/or retraction of what Lance said in the article. Car sales people to the end!

And it's a very nice car, but one important feature is missing, and that's the aluminum body. But whatever.

I'm not buying what either you or Lance are shoveling. Sorry, but there would have to be a complete breakdown in communication between the Forbes writer and Lance for all those "factual errors" to get printed.

Nope, sorry, no "slack" from me. That nonsense is now in the public domain forever and newbies will read it as gospel. And for that, I'm sad.

Yes,

I do sell Superformance. Not ashamed at all.

And it is obvious you have made up your mind so we won't bother you with facts.

I don't understand your issue with the "Shelbys as they are real (but not old, original, period, whatever) Shelbys.

Yes, most of us all drive a "replica" unless we have a '60s era car that originated at Thames Ditton. Different strokes and different degrees.

I guess I missed the memo where you were made arbiter of all things "Cobra"!

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Yes, most of us all drive a "replica" unless we have a '60s era car that originated at Thames Ditton. Different strokes and different degrees.

Well if other manufacturers would put "replica" in their names, as in ERA Replica Automobiles, life would just be easier for everyone around.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

Yes,

I do sell Superformance. Not ashamed at all.

And it is obvious you have made up your mind so we won't bother you with facts.

I don't understand your issue with the "Shelbys as they are real (but not old, original, period, whatever) Shelbys.

Yes, most of us all drive a "replica" unless we have a '60s era car that originated at Thames Ditton. Different strokes and different degrees.

I guess I missed the memo where you were made arbiter of all things "Cobra"!

I'll scan and email the memo to you.

You know the history here, but yes, I have a problem with the use of words "authentic", "genuine", "real", "original," etc. And replicas do NOT equal those 4+ words.

And we've discussed and argued this topic here since CC was started. And I believe Ned Scudder, the SAAC Registrar of CSX2000's/3000's had the same problem. But I don't want to start it again.

Yes, I have made up my mind. That doesn't mean that it could never change. BTW, why are you not the moderator for the GT40's SPF Forum anymore?

[GOstberg]

I have owned a Superformance for a number of years...it is a VERY nicely built Cobra to very tight standards. The Superformance community is a tight knit group of folks who love their cars...be it a Cobra, GT40, Daytona Coupe, or whatever. In my opinion, we don't go around ragging on other manufacturers or drivers of other manufacturers, we just are proud our cars are built by folks who truly represent what CS brought to the public and to the track. Others have replicated this too, and so be it. Just be proud that these cars turn heads and turn wheels in the old fashioned way...power and drivability up the yingyang. As was stated above, Lance had no say in the final write and I am sure the writer is NOT an expert...maybe an enthusiast, but obviously not an expert. If you pull up next to me at a stop light in a Kirkham or a FF or any other Cobra, you will see a smile because we all speak the same language...better not miss a shift tho...if you know what I mean.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by GOstberg

I have owned a Superformance for a number of years...it is a VERY nicely built Cobra to very tight standards. The Superformance community is a tight knit group of folks who love their cars...be it a Cobra, GT40, Daytona Coupe, or whatever. In my opinion, we don't go around ragging on other manufacturers or drivers of other manufacturers, we just are proud our cars are built by folks who truly represent what CS brought to the public and to the track. Others have replicated this too, and so be it. Just be proud that these cars turn heads and turn wheels in the old fashioned way...power and drivability up the yingyang. As was stated above, Lance had no say in the final write and I am sure the writer is NOT an expert...maybe an enthusiast, but obviously not an expert. If you pull up next to me at a stop light in a Kirkham or a FF or any other Cobra, you will see a smile because we all speak the same language...better not miss a shift tho...if you know what I mean.

Hi, GOstberg, the SPF product is excellent.

But just for the record here, ironically, on another thread, a CC member MHNCO (Mike from CO, a GT40 owner) is actually calling Kirkham's a blingee POS in his last post. Obviously, Kirkham owners don't care about his opinion, but not every SPF owner appreciates other manufacturers and is a "car guy."

Originally Posted by MHNCO

What's stopping you? Fire sale that blinged out POS and order you one today!

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Originally Posted by GOstberg

I have owned a Superformance for a number of years...it is a VERY nicely built Cobra to very tight standards. The Superformance community is a tight knit group of folks who love their cars...be it a Cobra, GT40, Daytona Coupe, or whatever. In my opinion, we don't go around ragging on other manufacturers or drivers of other manufacturers, we just are proud our cars are built by folks who truly represent what CS brought to the public and to the track. Others have replicated this too, and so be it. Just be proud that these cars turn heads and turn wheels in the old fashioned way...power and drivability up the yingyang. As was stated above, Lance had no say in the final write and I am sure the writer is NOT an expert...maybe an enthusiast, but obviously not an expert. If you pull up next to me at a stop light in a Kirkham or a FF or any other Cobra, you will see a smile because we all speak the same language...better not miss a shift tho...if you know what I mean.

You must be the exception to the rule about Superformance owners NOT RAGGING on other manufacters/drivers of other manufacters, because so far,every encounter I have had with Superformance owners was EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!and I've had more than a few encounters with them in the last 25 years!!!!!!!

I been to races/open track events/local car shows/regional car shows/national car shows and gatherings and so far every Superformance owner went out of his way to diss any other make of Cobra Replica there......had a few come up to me and tell all the faults of the other manufacters and how great the Superformance is...........and best of all, I don't even own a Cobra replica, I have a 1965 GT 350 clone/replica/tribute/look-a-like POS or whatever you want to call my car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From my meetings with Superformance owners I would never own any of their products if owning one makes a person act the way I see them act.......

And I LIKE the Superformance line of cars!!!!!!!! just don't like the owners...

It would take no less that 5 pages here to tell you of the encounters I had with them!!!!!!!!!! and none were good!!!!!!!

End of my rant......

David

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by DAVID GAGNARD

From my meetings with Superformance owners I would never own any of their products if owning one makes a person act the way I see them act.......

Well that's an interesting point. Does the owner choose the car or does the car choose the owner? That deserves exploration.

[Antny]

Unless you have an original AC Cobra, they are ALL replicas, copies, recreations, etc. Even the "continuation" cars are not original Cobras. What's the big deal, anyway? I own one of his Cobras and I know full well that's it's not a real Cobra. I don't fool myself into thinking otherwise. I love it just the same. Cool article none the less.

[Antny]

All Cobra replicas are cool, in my eye. I don't understand the whole "my fake Cobra is better than your fake Cobra" thing. Even if there are different levels of quality of replicas, they are still all replicas!

[Randall Thomas]

If any of you have ever spoken to Lance in person, you already know he is a wealth of knowledge and puts out more information so fast that you can't possibly absorb it all in one sitting. I'm pretty sure he chews raw coffee beans because the liquefied stuff is too weak and to slow.

A few days ago I was privy to the same letter MkVI Rick probably saw, where Lance sent a note expressing his disbelief and unhappiness with the result of the printed article, and in Lance Stander's own words stated that the "....facts are incorrect and badly written..."

As fast as Lance Talks, I can clearly see the writer may have only took bits and pieces of what was said and mixed them together and called it a day. I've spoken to Lance enough and read enough of his past interviews to know that the "quotes" written in this particular article are NOTHING at all like or how Lance speaks. Not even remotely close. In fact I had to look back up to several times see who the writer was supposedly quoting. It didn't sound like any of the past interviews at all.

That said, it appears what is being disputed here is more of a difference of personal opinion involving personal emotions of their other brands. No surprise there. While no one has to "buy it" and you will believe what you will, at least you know that the other side is equally as disappointed, but not disappointed in Lance Stander.

Understand that Lance loves ALL of these cars, regardless of the make or Brand. He is a true car guy and yes, he does sell cars... but not in *that* way. He doesn't have to. He is as disappointed in the article as you all are. Probably more so. Take it for what you will.

[Ace23]

It's a sad day in the most opportunistic country called the USA when people have the time to come on a forum and get butt hurt about a guy who has had an enormous impact on the cobra replica market. If you can't be happy for the article or the fact that our kit car hobby is getting publicity than you are an enormous asshole. I don't know Lance but Im glad to see someone having success with a positive story. The news is WAY too full of lazy ass entitled people these days so to see something positive is refreshing. I will now step off the soap ladder

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Ace23

If you can't be happy for the article or the fact that our kit car hobby is getting publicity than you are an enormous asshole.

"Enormous asshole" here.

Thank you, maybe someday we can meet in person. That would be nice.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

"Enormous asshole" here.

Thank you, maybe someday we can meet in person. That would be nice.

I just love that phrase. Not "small," not "medium," but enormous.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I just love that phrase. Not "small," not "medium," but enormous.

And you know what, I'm fine with it.

Though I could have responded with the infantile "It takes one to know one."

[patrickt]

... and why do we only see a post from Gostberg every four years or so?

[Ace23]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

"Enormous asshole" here.

Thank you, maybe someday we can meet in person. That would be nice.

If you want to identify yourself with that title that is your business. I would be happy to meet up with fellow cobra owners but it will be over a drink and cars....it will not be spent arguing.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Ace23

If you want to identify yourself with that title that is your business. I would be happy to meet up with fellow cobra owners but it will be over a drink and cars....it will not be spent arguing.

Well, you certainly identified me with that title. I'm just agreeing with you.

Are you saying when you drink and talk cars, you never argue? I thought that all that happens when your drinking.

Say like, "Hey I'm going to talk to her."

"No way, I am."

[RodKnock]

Thank you, Mr. Thomas. Yes, we have a difference of opinion.

I quickly grabbed a few sentences from the article:

"We don’t build anything that can be considered a replica."

"We copied everything. And we do it very well."

"It’s definitely not a kit car."

"But up until now, we had to trade under the kit car law."

"It’s not a replica. It’s definitely not a kit car. It’s a brand new Shelby. It’s just brakes upgraded and stuff like that has changed but otherwise the car is the same as what it was in the ‘60s. It’s just new. The same with the Daytona. Every now and then somebody will write and say, ”It’s a replica,” but it’s not a replica. It doesn’t replicate the original car because it’s different dimensions."

"Currently, you walk into the showroom, we will then show you what we call a roller. It’s a roller, minus engine, transmission and driveshaft, at the present."

"Our Shelby is the genuine Shelby."