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09-17-2016, 04:56 PM
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I can see there's no chassis under the body. I meant the shape of the front wheel well that was made for a chassis with MGB suspension on the front.
I believe early NAF and unique's used complete MGB front crossmember, a-arms and spindle suspension in the front just like Arntz.
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09-17-2016, 05:00 PM
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I can see there's no chassis under the body. I meant the shape of the front wheel well that was made for a chassis with MGB suspension on the front.
I believe early NAF and unique's used complete MGB front crossmember, a-arms and spindle suspension in the front just like Arntz.
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The more I look at the pictures, the more it kind of reminds me of the raw bodies made for the Pioneer (think it was Pioneer) in store display(s). Key notes of this are the flat cowl, extended front and rear wheel openings, and the exaggerated front nose dress openings and mounting areas. Same goes for the rear fender swoop and trunk areas
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09-22-2016, 11:20 AM
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So it turns out it is NAF. Were the Naf's close to original shape and wheel base. Have never seen one in person, have looked at pictures in photo section and they seem to be differances in the few I have looked at. Karl, I wonder if the pictures of body are yours. The body is gone sold a while back, by guy that bought molds. Were NAF's taken off original car shape?
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09-22-2016, 01:32 PM
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Were the Naf's close to original shape and wheel base.
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Who told you it was a NAF, as no NAF (including the one I owned many years ago) looked like that one.
Yours
One similar to mine (but still a documented NAF)
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Were NAF's taken off original car shape?
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No, the NAF was not a "splashed" body off of any original Cobra.
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09-22-2016, 05:48 PM
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That body does not have an extended wheelbase. It looks that way because its sitting low over the prop wheels. I superimposed it over the pic Bill posted and accounting for slight variations of angle and focal length between the two images, the lines and features are practically identical. I would say its definitely a NAF or one of the variations thereof.
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09-22-2016, 06:44 PM
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That body does not have an extended wheelbase. It looks that way because its sitting low over the prop wheels. I superimposed it over the pic Bill posted and accounting for slight variations of angle and focal length between the two images, the lines and features are practically identical. I would say its definitely a NAF or one of the variations thereof.
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Try doing it with just the wheel arches as a guide, and you'll see the major differences and why I will stand behind my "it's not a NAF" statement above
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09-23-2016, 05:26 AM
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I did. I created an exact trace of all of the lines and openings and superimposed it over your picture. In particular, the fender lines and wheel openings are an exact match. Once the body is lifted of the tucked up prop wheels the impression of it being a stretched wheelbase car is dramatically eliminated. I did this out of curiosity and have no stake in the outcome or what anyone chooses to believe.
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09-23-2016, 09:30 AM
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Jack and his body shop Mgr Carl, both told me an original was used. Don't remember what number. They were very heavy glass.
BTW, I have two foot boxes that I didn't use and two door inner panels. Make me an offer I can't refuse.
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09-23-2016, 09:13 PM
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Jack and his body shop Mgr Carl, both told me an original was used. Don't remember what number. They were very heavy glass.
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Their original sales brochures (both the early and later versions), options and prices list in my collection do not mention a splashed body or a chassis number associated with it. 
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09-23-2016, 01:49 PM
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Thanks Buzz, Looked at as many pictures as I could find of NAF cobras and it looked close to me. Many of the NAF pictures have little differances so wasn't sure. From what guy that had body told me he is sure it was NAF, but he doesn't know much about cobras, he just bought mold with body and sold body (not to me). I haven't seen many NAF's so wasn't sure if they are close to original.
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09-24-2016, 01:27 PM
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Bill,
how much differant were the NAF's from an original, was it just shape or dimensions
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09-24-2016, 01:44 PM
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Quote:
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Bill,
how much differant were the NAF's from an original, was it just shape or dimensions
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Here's one perspective on that - profile photos of selected replicas against csX 3155: Compare car profiles
Another NAF: http://www.allcarindex.com/auto-car-...tes-NAF-Cobra/
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09-24-2016, 06:15 PM
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Bill,
how much differant were the NAF's from an original, was it just shape or dimensions
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Both in dimensions and in shape, NAF did an Ok job at getting the body to fit their frame set up, but the body was off as you can see in the side by side shots from the ERA web site.
That also shows why the body in question, in this thread, is not a NAF
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09-25-2016, 04:27 AM
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Buzz,
I respectfully disagree. You'll see it when you start comparing flare dimensions, and other dimensions using the different shots in the OP's photographs.
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09-26-2016, 05:02 AM
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Bill,
Are the mold lines on the body the same as NAF would have been, or did the molds they used split somewhere else? Asking because I saw an NAF body with mold lines and they seem to be in same place. Do you have any pictures of your NAF before paint you could share?
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09-26-2016, 05:10 AM
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Bill,
Are the mold lines on the body the same as NAF would have been, or did the molds they used split somewhere else? Asking because I saw an NAF body with mold lines and they seem to be in same place. Do you have any pictures of your NAF before paint you could share?
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I've got boxes from when I last moved full of things like that, mostly Polaroid Instamatic type pictures as there were no digital cameras back then. I'll be home this coming weekend, will try to dig through some of them at that time, if I of course have the time to do so.
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Hi,
if this can help, here are some typical NAF corners
hood area corners:
door front body area
body door rear area, with removed seal
and if the inner shell is available , the NAF logo
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Frank,
Thanks it does help, the hood pictures are exactly the same where the stops locate.
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09-27-2016, 09:20 AM
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The pictured stops are also where they were on my long gone NAF. The frame on mine was 2"x4" boxed tubing, .180"thick. Pretty stout but I installed "X" members front and rear to prevent flexing. (My 496 RAT had twisted the frame so much that I'd carry the LF wheel through 2nd gear with my TH400). My MT drag radials hooked up pretty well. ha
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