2020 Shelby GT 500 Hp - Torque published

[Buzz]

Not to mention the fact that every modern American performance car - and a few 4 door sedans too - will absolutely annihilate their 60's and 70's ancestors in just about every possible measure of performance, comfort and yes - safety.

[GBowman]

I have both a BDR (663HP built by Lykins) and a new GTR that just received a full bolt on & tune along with flex fuel option making a tad over 600 HP at the wheels (all 4 of them) that, by way of design will outperform most if not all of them even having less power. Why haven't American manufacturers come up with an all wheel drive offering to some of these muscle cars that would better utilize all of that power? I see American sport utility vehicles with AWD the are insanely fast. Why not the cars?

[Buzz]

Cost and complexity I imagine are the reasons we don’t see more awd setups in domestic performance cars. However the mid engine C8 Corvette is being unveiled this month and rumor has it that an awd version with an auxiliary electric motor up front is in the pipeline.

[Cobra #3170]

Originally Posted by GBowman

I have both a BDR (663HP built by Lykins) and a new GTR that just received a full bolt on & tune along with flex fuel option making a tad over 600 HP at the wheels (all 4 of them) that, by way of design will outperform most if not all of them even having less power. Why haven't American manufacturers come up with an all wheel drive offering to some of these muscle cars that would better utilize all of that power? I see American sport utility vehicles with AWD the are insanely fast. Why not the cars?

Weight of an all wheel drive system is one disadvantage as well as handling. Acceleration is unmatched but there is a trade off with curb weight and vehicle dynamics. The McLaren 720s will kill the majority of GTR's that have less than 1000 whp in a drag race and murder them on a track, Electric front drive might be the answer with its control flexibility. Porsche GT2 RS is 2 wheel drive even though 911 Turbo is all wheel drive but Bugatti, 918, P1 are all wheel. Although a 2 wheel drive 720s is right there with them. Everyday driving is probably superior with awd but for all out speed where handling dynamics matter, the answer is not so obvious.

I have a friend with a high boost GTR, he carries a spare center diff in his trailer and has needed it many times.

[olddog]

Originally Posted by GBowman

I have both a BDR (663HP built by Lykins) and a new GTR that just received a full bolt on & tune along with flex fuel option making a tad over 600 HP at the wheels (all 4 of them) that, by way of design will outperform most if not all of them even having less power. Why haven't American manufacturers come up with an all wheel drive offering to some of these muscle cars that would better utilize all of that power? I see American sport utility vehicles with AWD the are insanely fast. Why not the cars?

I have a 2016 Ford Escape 2.0 Ltr AWD. It's 280 Hp a little less torque - maybe 260. Compared to my 01 Marquis 4.6 Ltr with 230 or 240 Hp, it's a race car. The Escape is 400 - 600 lb lighter. There is absolutely no perceptible turbo lag. Full torque pretty much any rpm at the touch of the throttle. It has never spun a tire. It just goes, any direction you point it to.

I agree these SUVs are impressive, in their own right, but no where near the power of what we are talking.