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Old 08-17-2022, 08:58 AM
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Too bad about Craft Racing Engine.
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Old 08-17-2022, 10:06 AM
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Does anyone know of contact info for the attorney handling their closure (bankruptcy?)? Someone on the FE forum is trying to get in contact with them over his parts and deposit he had left there. Apparently itís all in the hands of attorneys now.
Remember that the unfortunate reality of business failures is that what caused it was there was not enough money around to survive the downturn. That means inevitably somebody gets stiffed. The entity is also an LLC, which in today's climate seem to come and go. Plus, if they didn't have enough money to keep the business going then they're probably trying to cut corners on legal fees (lawyers don't talk to creditors for free) -- and after all, its a relatively small engine shop, this is not Enron. I did check the federal PACER system and nothing came up for filings. I do feel for them. Some of my favorite shops went under in the last couple of years and I've done business with Craft in the past, to my total satisfaction. Unfortunately, business in America ain't for the faint of heart and some good companies end up going under.
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Old 08-17-2022, 11:55 AM
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I did some checking too. I don’t think they have formally filed for bankruptcy as nothing recent popped up for the county in Arkansas records but maybe they are working towards it.

We drive by their shop going down to my wife’s hometown nearby. The next time we go I’ll stop and see if any info is posted on their shop doors.
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I did some checking too. I donít think they have formally filed for bankruptcy as nothing recent popped up for the county in Arkansas records but maybe they are working towards it.

We drive by their shop going down to my wifeís hometown nearby. The next time we go Iíll stop and see if any info is posted on their shop doors.
If there are security interests covering the cool and expensive engine building tools, but minimal or no assets left over to liquidate, and no personal guaranties floating around, then they might not file for bankruptcy at all. You just walk away from it all and your creditors can chase your LLC to their hearts' content. Now, you can argue the morality of that until the Arkansas cows come home, but thems the breaks.
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Old 08-17-2022, 01:01 PM
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Lots and lots of businesses went "belly up" in the past few years, so I'm not surprised one of the "go to" crate engine builders did too. The pandemic killed more than a million people in the US too.

I got curious and checked up on my engine builder, FE Specialties. Looks like Tom Lucas is still in business, but moved his operations from Sacramento, CA to Chiloquin, OR, which looks like the middle of nowhere. But he's still in business.

And if we're talking about the morality of establishing an LLC for your business, then let's talk about the morality of filing a frivolous lawsuit.
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Old 08-17-2022, 01:06 PM
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And if we're talking about the morality of establishing an LLC for your business, then let's talk about the morality of filing a frivolous lawsuit.
No. This is the post that Dan is referring to:
https://www.fordfe.com/craft-perform...s-t166844.html
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Does anyone know of contact info for the attorney handling their closure (bankruptcy?)? Someone on the FE forum is trying to get in contact with them over his parts and deposit he had left there. Apparently itís all in the hands of attorneys now.
Read the stub web site linked in the original post. From the sound of it attorneys will be contacting you. You could try to contact Craft but my assessment is there is no further contact with the business.
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No. This is the post that Dan is referring to:
https://www.fordfe.com/craft-perform...s-t166844.html
No what? I'm speaking in generalities, not specifically to the Craft situation.
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Old 08-17-2022, 01:15 PM
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No what? I'm speaking in generalities, not specifically to the Craft situation.
Establishing an LLC is not moral nor is it immoral, it is the conduct of the individuals that cast shades of morality only to be hidden behind the cloak of the LLC.
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Regarding Brent,,, He's a top notch builder with volumes of accumulated knowledge. Something to keep in mind is that the more time he spends on the phone, the less time he has to spend in the shop. JMHO
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