Interesting "old" aluminum recreation

[PanameraPat]

Oh, I am well aware of Kirkham. Totally agree that in terms of modern replica's, they are the best of the best. But do you have any advise on comparing quality and "originalness" of these two cars to Kirkham (or to actual original's for that matter).

This is an owner who owned original SC, original 427 street and others at the time he had these built. He has raced original's and these replica's (which he had built specifically to race against original comp cars). How can I tell if they are as nice as Kirkham or a much cheaper knock off that just happens to have alloy body?

I'm not arguing that they are something they are not. But I am trying to learn enough so that when I do go see them, I have enough knowledge to know the quality of build and original likeness (and to either confirm or debunk his claims about their origin). And to get some idea of value once I do see them.

If they turn out to be Kirkham/original quality, built in England, but MUCH more rare than Kirkham as this was before Kirkham was building in Poland, wouldn't they be at least equal in value to Kirkham? And more if there were a mid 80's tie to Thames in some way? Again, not arguing the point, just trying to understand how the community views "old alloy recreations" that are supposedly done to a very exact standard to original.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by PanameraPat

Oh, I am well aware of Kirkham. Totally agree that in terms of modern replica's, they are the best of the best. But do you have any advise on comparing quality and "originalness" of these two cars to Kirkham (or to actual original's for that matter).

This is an owner who owned original SC, original 427 street and others at the time he had these built. He has raced original's and these replica's (which he had built specifically to race against original comp cars). How can I tell if they are as nice as Kirkham or a much cheaper knock off that just happens to have alloy body?

I'm not arguing that they are something they are not. But I am trying to learn enough so that when I do go see them, I have enough knowledge to know the quality of build and original likeness (and to either confirm or debunk his claims about their origin). And to get some idea of value once I do see them.

If they turn out to be Kirkham/original quality, built in England, but MUCH more rare than Kirkham as this was before Kirkham was building in Poland, wouldn't they be at least equal in value to Kirkham? And more if there were a mid 80's tie to Thames in some way? Again, not arguing the point, just trying to understand how the community views "old alloy recreations" that are supposedly done to a very exact standard to original.

The problem I see right now is that you do not have access to the cars, you cannot take and post pictures of the cars, and really have no idea what the cars really are or are not. Until those very basic of items is addressed and overcome, there is nothing to assist you with. Especially not in attempting to compare fit, finish, and quality of one vs another.

As far as the "originalness" or "quality" of an original, again, words that are subject to intense scrutiny . For all we know, you have a Kirkham sourced body on a Factory Five sourced frame, or worse yet, an aluminum body from a source in southern Florida, who was there and gone in a short period of time.

Bill S.

[1985 CCX]

These cars are great as they have more stories than a can of Bush Beans.
Remember top dollar comes to cars that are accurate to the time period. With pics we can maybe help settle the value end, it only worth what someone will pay.
Frenched in light?? That hurts $$ as its hard to reverse.

80's would be Brian Angliss AC Period. A 427 MKIV (Lwt) does fetch KMS money but as one deviates from the MKIII build they too succome to less $$.
A MKIV is a great car, alloy bodies, Ford backed, and very well built but they are still mid 100's and slowly climbing but not KMS or CSX cont $.
Seems made in UK only matters for the 1000 series.

Post pics....