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Old 12-19-2022, 04:24 PM
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Not an MK IV. And owner also said Brian Angeles was not directly involved in the build (may have been involved in some parts). This owner said he didn't like the changes AutoKraft made in style to the MK IV and that he specifically had these made to MK III style and specs (including exact frame copy, which he "claims" was from an original jig).

Probably not...... But part of the fun of these cars is that the possibility kinda does exist. Especially for someone who was running in these racing circles in the early, mid and late 80's.

I am pretty sure the frame (wherever it came from) is a pretty close match. The owner was pretty specific in describing the larger tubes used for SC cars vs smaller std frame and how much difference it made on the track. It is a ladder tube frame with oversized tubes for sure. High level stuff in the pics I did see (but don't have) all looked right. No glovebox, backwards shifter for 4 speed toploader, proper wood steering wheel, knock off wheels looked period correct, interior looked like original's, etc.

How do I tell quality of alloy body? Certain thickness to be looking for? Obvious area's where lessor copies tend to show themselves? If the frame looks to be a very good copy, anything specific to look for to try to tell it apart from one made from original jig?

I completely get that everyone wants to see great pictures to lend an opinion as to how nice it is. But also looking for a little guidance myself so I know what to look for when I go look at it for the first time. This owner is not a young man anymore, but certainly knows his Cobra's way better than I, so I want to at least have enough knowledge to start to form my own opinion on the spot when I see it in person. Thanks again for any advise of what to look for and be wary of.

I can typically spot a replica vs original without a word, but of course a Kirkham or other really good recreation can be much harder to tell. And that is what I expect these are, which is why I am trying to dig a bit deeper.
The more I read your posts, the less interest I'm having, the story and back story of the owner just keeps changing, and getting better and better, as if a worm was stuck on a hook with a fish staring at it just inches away, or a carrot was being dangled in front of a large donkey who has not eaten in days...So close they can almost taste it, but still far enough away that it's of no concern.

I for one, will await some real documentation, along with some current, well lit, if not dusty pictures. Again, anything prior to those two important details, and you are just spinning your wheels and ours, as we need facts to assist, not innuendo.


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Old 12-19-2022, 04:32 PM
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The more I read your posts, the less interest I'm having, the story and back story of the owner just keeps changing, and getting better and better, as if a worm was stuck on a hook with a fish staring at it just inches away, or a carrot was being dangled in front of a large donkey who has not eaten in days...So close they can almost taste it, but still far enough away that it's of no concern.

I for one, will await some real documentation, along with some current, well lit, if not dusty pictures. Again, anything prior to those two important details, and you are just spinning your wheels and ours, as we need facts to assist, not innuendo.


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