Turk:

You would know the prices better than I would for a Shelby, and intent is not to start a rampaging 58 page thread, but I have a question for you.

What are the intrinsic aspects of the Shelby that make it worth paying the premium over even a Kirkham?

Mr. Wheaton,

I tell you why I went with the CSX over the Kirkham, I can race mine at the historic races in Monterey.

Allan

And the dollar difference was not anywhere near previous posts.

Allan,

That is an excellent reason.

How can you a run a 4000 series car in historic series? Doesn't the car itself have to be vintage?

Jamie

Allan,
I agree a very good reason. However, if the plans did not include historic racing, would YOU feel the same?

Allan
 

I am not aware of the ability to race tha Historics at Monterey.
With what sanctioning racing organization?
Do you get to race against the CSX 2000 & CSX 3000 series?
I was always told no, never, it's a new car. Go race open track or with the replica's and modified late models which placed me amongst a great range of cars with many valued at under $20,000.

Andrew
 

I will always love the Cobra's but the least expensive 4000 is still more than the full bore, race history, race ready stock car. Those guys don't seem to wan't to sit around and talk about their cars, they just race. But, I will end up with a 289 one day.

What is it with Ebay that makes people seem justified in advertising their car as something it is not. For what it's worth, the Ebay Shelby is the Real McCoy, and obviously has everything that a buyer would want in a CSX 4 series car. It has a CSX chassis number. It has nothing to hide. Why then, would the seller specifically call it "CSX 4000", and state that it was manufactured in 1965 ????? :confused: :confused:

I thought one of the advantages of having the CSX number was that you wouldn't have to represent the car as something it was not.....

Steve - I notice that the car was "tweaked" by Cobra Automotive. You know what it's like to be tweaked by them, don't you ??? :rolleyes: %/

Craig
 

I was kinda waiting for someone else to pick up on that. You certainly get the Gold Star for the day. I have been so politically correct these days, I didn't want to start another CC War.
BUT, Maybe the owner is not pleased with the running of the car and just wants to bail out before the thing grenades. :eek:
UH OH! Did I dood It???

Whatever the maximum bid is, it does not represent what an aluminum CSX4000 car is worth, it only represents what it is worth on ebay.

Not that I have followed every cobra (real or unreal) for sale on ebay, but every one I think has failed to reach what they are worth (generally what I think they have sold for used). The only exception was a CSX2000 project car, that I think sold for near $100,000, and from what I remember, it was basically a basket case.

The car may be registered as a 1965.

I don't think any of the CSX4000 cars car race at historic races, but the $500,000 continuation CSX3000 (?3057 - 3099) cars can.

When you are spending big money on a car or an engine, you should always do research on who's building it.

Anthony...he said it was titled as a 1965.. It looked awesome...


Dan

I rarely like to admit when Turk is right (almost an oxymoron). But he is. ;)

JWheaton: To answer your question, very simply when one goes through the trouble and expense of having a CSX built to exacting details he isn't creating an "illusion" of authenticity, one is building a new Cobra to exacting original specification. No illusion at all. Authentic yes. Vintage no.

When re-creating a new Shelby S/C to original specs in every detail, while expensive you are still a good $300K to $400K from similar spec vintage iron and aluminum.

750hp: Not to defend the owner on ebay but the CSX 4000 is a '65 model. The MSO's also state model year as 1965. I doubt any savy buyer would believe the car was actually constructed in 1965. Accurately they are 1965 model Cobras constructed in 1997 to present. I agree that the ad should be clear on this point.

JWheaton: As to the intrinsic aspects of a Shelby that make it worth paying more than a Kirkham? - Its all subjective and based on what the buyer values. For me it was that it was a Shelby. For me owning a Shelby and a car recoginzed as an authentic Cobra and legally entitled to be called a Cobra was the pinicale. For me and many others the premium was worth owning a Shelby Cobra and the history of the car and the car from which it is a direct decendent. For you it may not be worth it. It may be just a name to you and others. But to me and others it was more than the name it was the aura of having title to a Shelby Cobra and the aura and legend that surronds the Shelby Cobra. There is something intangible enjoyment knowing you are driving a Shelby Cobra.

Question. Would you pay more for a vintage Shelby Cobra over a vintage AC Cobra? Most would and do. Whats the difference? Its just a name. Right???

:cool: ;)

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"Blue66: To answer your question, very simply when one goes through the trouble and expense of having a CSX built to exacting details he isn't creating an "illusion" of authenticity, one is building a new Cobra to exacting original specification. No illusion at all. Authentic yes. Vintage no.

When re-creating a new Shelby S/C to original specs in every detail, while expensive you are still a good $300K to $400K from a similar spec vintage iron and aluminum. "

this was JWheaton's question... My mind has never changed!!! old school :3DSMILE: ...the car is awesome!!!

Dan

Blue66: Thanks. I corrected my post above.

Original Issue
 

The bidding is still pathetically low:CRY: :CRY:

Steve,

I just watched Jesse James (Westcoast Choppers) turn your NASCAR into a street sweeper. I think you had better sell it fast and get back into a Cobra. When they turn a CSX 3000 or 4000 into anything other than what it is I will sell my car.

Allan

Another Shelby
 

Not to change the subject, but there is another Shelby on ebay for 10 days now with no bids.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...411799912&rd=1

Steve: Turk is right (damn! I was forced to say it again!:CRY:)

Ebay is for bargain hunters. Billy at HRE is still selling and finishing aluminum CSX's going out the door for $120K+ from what I understand.

Again don't for forget two CSX 4000 sold at auction in the $160K range and the "R" just sold down at Atlantic City for around $180K. I know of another "R" that sold recently for around the same number.

Heck, I even know of a glass CSX 4000 that sold for $125K.

;)

I think the seller is wasting his time of ebay.

I'd just assume turn the car into a flower pot before I'd sell it for less than $100K.

Steve,

I noticed the Cobra Automotive association but let it slide. I hate to be the one to open old sores. To me their association with the car drops its value to no more than $119,500. I would need the $500 to get someone to look it over thoroughly. :p

Evan,

For the original builder of a CSX car such as yourself, Steve, Turk I can understand going that extra yard for the detail, such as seat tracks. My question was to the secondary buyer of that car built with that passion. Does that individual have the same passion as the orginal builder? I would not think so. There is a certain amount of heart when creating that is not present when just tossing money into a purchase. That is my question. Why would someone purchase this car for the details such as seat tracks.

Do not be so quick to jump on the authenticity band wagon in your reply. I have never questioned that. I DO believe that Shelby, along with 90% of kit/replica manufacturers provide the illusion of owning an original vintage car.

Evan.........

Just to set the record straight, Shelby auctioned off CSX4001R. It fetched $205K. Auctions seem to be the place to sell these cars these days! I'm going to try and attend most of the auctions upcoming this August at Monterey. Last year was a buyers market. - Bill - **)