Club Cobra Gas - N Exhaust  

Go Back   Club Cobra > Cobra Talk Areas > ALL COBRA TALK

Keith Craft Racing
Nevada Classics
Keith Craft Racing
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
Keith Craft Racing
November 2025
S M T W T F S
            1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30            
View Poll Results: JBL Big Block?
Yes, I think this the way a JBL should be and should have been from the start. What were those design guys drinking anyhow? 10 22.22%
Yes, the BB is the only motor that exists in my thinking and anyone who likes SB's is a wimp. 5 11.11%
No, BB's are boat anchors and should only be used in Show Queens or fire engines.. 11 24.44%
No, It would be pure sacrilege to put anything other than a SB in a JBL. 10 22.22%
??????? Whats a BB? 0 0%
Hell with all the above, what's a JBL????? 9 20.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

Kirkham Motorsports

 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #30 (permalink)  
Old 07-23-2003, 01:39 PM
Richard Hudgins's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Location: Fallbrook, CA USA, CA
Cobra Make, Engine: Porsche 928 S4
Posts: 739
Not Ranked     
Default

Dart,

I would think that you could certainly twist a chassis too hard with torque. (If you could hook up the tires) We bent a couple of T300's monocoques this way. But they were so weak you probably could of bent them just by jacking them up wrong.

Ant,

Using the engine as a stressed member has been done for many years in racing chassis. You have to do it correctly in order to not introduce loads in the wrong places on the block.

Harmonics et al.

The basic high amplitude frequencies of the engine are fairly easy to calculate. (The engine harmonics are quite difficult due to the many factors involved, However, one is only concerned with the major amplitude events as they relate to harmonic periods of the engine and chassis.)

In a standard layout V8 engine, one cylinder fires every 90° of crankshaft rotation. This is a "fourth order" excitation, (Four power pulses per revolution) which at an 1000 RPM idle, produces 66 pulses per second (Hz), and at 5000 RPM, produces 333 pulses per second (Hz).

Therefore, If your chassis has a natural frequency of 66Hz, it will be in "harmony" with the engine frequency at 1000 rpm. If it had a natural frequency of 333Hz it would be in "harmony" at 5000 rpm. In other words, if the engine and the chassis had the same natural frequencies, the amplitude of the instantaneous torque peaks would excite the chassis to the greatest extent as you are dividing by 1.

The JBL chassis has a natural frequency of 22.3Khz. (This was found by sonic testing, FEMA studies of the design are really beyond my capabilities.) Therefore, at 1000 rpm you have a result (JBL chassis) of 337. This number reduces the transfer amplitude by 337. As the revs go to 5000, you now have a result of 66.9.

It appears (from SAE papers and other NVH studies) that anything below a 20-1 ratio becomes quite evident to the occupants of the vehicle and very annoying. Conversely, anything in the 700>5K range is also considered quite bad as this is the range of human hearing that is the most sensitive to amplitude. (The buzzing that you hear in some econoboxes is due to this ratio.)

Now, this subject is very complex and there are all manner of papers relative to even and odd frequency divisors, second and third order harmonics, and relative fatigue points, etc. etc. You will have to speak to someone smarter than me to get the true story.

Jeez guys, how asking me some easy stuff that I can understand?
__________________
Best regards,

Richard Hudgins
Reply With Quote
 


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 11:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy
Links monetized by VigLink