Did you ever notice...

[todd]

sorry for the long post, however I observed many references to the "apples and oranges" ----"glass and aluminum" defense.

here is a little food for thought. to see the figures referenced do a google search for apples and oranges


Apples and Oranges-A Comparison
S A. Sandford
Annals of Improbable Research (AIR) Vol. 1, No. 3,May/June 1995
We have all been present at discussions (or arguments) in which one of the combatants attempts to clarify or strengthen a point by comparing the subject at hand with another item or situation more familiar to the audience or opponent. More often than not, this stratagem instantly results in the protest that "you're comparing apples and oranges!" This is generally perceived as being a telling blow to the analogy, since it is generally understood that apples and oranges cannot be compared.
However, after being the recipient of just such an accusation, it occurred to me that there are several problems with dismissing analogies with the comparing apples and oranges defense.

First, the statement that something is like comparing apples and oranges is a kind of analogy itself. That is, denigrating an
analogy by accusing it of comparing apples and oranges is, in and of itself, comparing apples and oranges. More importantly, it is not difficult to demonstrate that apples and oranges can, in fact, be compared (see figure 1).


Granny Smith Apple and Sunkist Orange
Fig.1
Materials and Methods
Both samples were prepared by gently desiccating them in a convection oven at low temperature over the course of several days. The dried samples were then mixed with potassium bromide and ground in a small ball-bearing mill for two minutes. One hundred milligrams of each of the resulting powders were then pressed into a circular pellet having a diameter of 1 cm and a thickness of approximately 1 mm. Spectra were taken at a resolution of 1 cm-1 using a Nicolet 740 FTIR spectrometer.
Figure 2 shows a comparison of the 4000-400 cm-1 (2.5-25 mm) infrared transmission spectra of a Granny Smith
apple and a Sunkist Navel orange.


Fig.2
Conclusions
Not only was this comparison easy to make, but it is apparent from the figure that apples and oranges are very similar.
Thus, it would appear that the comparing apples and oranges defense should no longer be considered valid. This is a somewhat startling revelation. It can be anticipated to have a dramatic effect on the strategies used in arguments and discussions in the future.
A Personal Note
I, for one, intend to carry a copy of figure 2 in my pocket so that the next time someone accuses me of comparing apples and oranges, I can whip it out, shove it in front of their eyes, and say, "No - this is comparing apples and oranges!" That should fix them.

Scott A. Sandford is a research astrophysicist working at NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, California.
Caleb Brown is an illustrator and biologist living in Montana. By day he drives a delivery van, and by night he draws pictures with
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