Cobra Replica ranking

[xlr8or]

I like #6. Just like at the car shows you see people just waiting for someone to ask so they can spout off about what they have.

[BMK]

Hi all



Nothing like a good Thread to get people fired up..


Is this original? - is a question I have been asked on numerous occassions since having my car on the road.

Considering its still in Gel coat my answer to this - silly - question is obviously no.

Is it a replica or a kit car? - is also one asked by those who know someone or have a so called original in their garage

I am now certain that you guys really do not have any idea of how many original cars there is in existance. I am positive I have turned up dozens alone here in Australia. All original and all worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.

All in garages in your suburb. No doubt you have heard it all before.

"..no its is an original for sure its in my neighbours shed"



CSX ...... has now been found and in this guys garage or neighbours garage.



I guess what I 'm saying here is there are plenty of owners out there - or here - telling on lookers that they are looking at genuine Cobras.



Well mine is not a kit car. I used a race company to build a chassis and purchased a body else where. Its my replica and my interpretation of what I think a 2003 Cobra would have been like if this all took place today and not in 1966.

As original as I can get it but with a very modern race suspension,braking setup etc.

Who knows - I'm sure there are people out there who will argue that this guy in Mt. Gambier has an original Cobra.

Just like my friend who watched the 'Bad Boys' DVD and raced to tell me that they ran an original Cobra into an airport fence. What a budget these movie guys must have.



Hell I'm having fun and who cares.



Cheers

Bernie

Bernie Knight
Mt. Gambier South Australia.

Home of "Weekend at Bernie's #2" - March 13th and 14th 2004.

[thorconstr]

Original? Real? Very, very, interesting. But stupid

[Lowell W]

Johan,

[Bluesman]

Without differences in opinions, there would be no horse races.
I have never attempted to convince anyone that my car is an original or a replica cobra. I have always answered that "big lame-ass question" with, this car is a Butler. A NAF, a ERA, FFR, etc...
It is human nature, believe it or not, that one man receives some
satisfaction in convincing himself and you too, if you are that weak, that what you have is somehow inferior. The people that
dis your car for not being an original, are jealous. It is that simple.
I remember entering a vintage sports and race car show in Santa
Barbara Ca. back in 91'. It was unbelievable. They escorted my car to the top of a grassy knoll and parked me along side two original 289 FIA Cobras. Both had some racing livery. I did feel honored. Now, the judging went down. I watched from atop the hill as the judges pranced around looking at the cars. My Butler and the two original Cobras didn't even get a glance. I noticed a lot of the Bugattis, Isotta-Fraschini Tipo's, etc. did not have the engine covers even opened. All the muscle car types got goose egged. Kind of puts thing in a perspective. Are you happy with what you got? Sure you are! That's all that counts.
During another car show, an old, old lady walked up to my car and
tapped her knuckles on my front fender. She looked up at me in discust, and said "this isn't real". I sized her up (your never know if their packin') and said, " What the hell are your mumbling about? It is a real car, ain't it? She left.

[PatBuckley]

I actually liked #1, 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9.....

Although I think #5 is the one that best describes him.

[Don]

The Connecticut DMV refers to these vehicles as " Composite ", which is actually used on the registration and title when referencing the make of an auto.

[REAL 1]

Well not everyone can have an original. But those with originals certainly have special cars because of their rarity, originality and value.

Those with originals also have an axe to grind in making sure no other cars are recognized as REAL. The values of originals haven't faired so well over the past several years.

While no Continuation series will have the value or the collectibility of the Daytona Coupe Pedro Rodgriguez drove or any original, at least in the forseeable future or ever it clearly they clearly are REAL Cobras and in this crowd will constantly be torn down by those who have their own axe to grind whether to perserve the exclusivtivity of their "original" or to feel better about what they have cause its not a Cobra.

Johan: I don't go to vintage car events except for an occassional SAAC event. Not that interested. More interested in spending time with my family than taking photos of million dollar museum pieces. Been there done that.

You make it sound like I'm elevating the Continuation Series to the collectibility level of the Pedro Rodriguez Daytona or that I would walk around Pebble Beach Concours pretending my car is in the same league as the cars there. You do so to get laughs at my expense and in my opinoin make yourself out to be a jerk by totally distorting what I'm saying.

Of course everytime this subject comes up what I say is always totally distorted by others and I am attacked.

Oh, BTW I'm sure you know that your car would have more value and collectibility if it was a Shelby.

[PatBuckley]

Hey Evan -

I think that Johan hit the nail on the head with at LEAST 5 of those 9 points!

Besides he was kidding - as we all are when it comes to you and your car. Think about it....anyone who takes themselves and their car as seriously as you do is just inviting a comprehensive kidding.

Anyone else who would try to convince a fellow group of replica owners that HIS replica is a REAL one would normally be the subject of a way more serious attack then you have been getting!

Johan is NOT a jerk - he just has the rare ability to ferret out the truth by using humor!

[Johan]

Not so fast Pat, If I have really hurt Evan's feelings, I'm sorry.
I'm sure Evan is kidding when he posts all that stuff, so I assume he knows we are kidding too. I mean, he is kidding, right ? I'd like to stay and chat but I'm off to the hospital to visit my brother.

[REAL 1]

Hey Pat: Thanks for the insight. With all the attacks that I put up with around here the line can get a little blurry as to whats just kidding around and whats not.

I think my position is clear it need not be distorted but routinely is. The fact is Johan completely missed the nail and distorted what I've said in these discussions on every one of his numbered "intellectual" points for the purpose of pandering to the typical group of Shelby/Continuation Cobra detractors

Thanks anyway though.

Johan: Thanks for clarifyng. I feel much better now. Besides as far as I'm aware this forum is for owners of replica Cobras and Cobras. Its states so very clearly. In fact there are people who own originals who regularly post here.

As to your brother, I'm sorry to here about that. I'm glad to see you've grown beyond beating up handicaped people. Sad. Your own brother no less.

[PatBuckley]

Evan,

Do you think there is any particular reason why your position is so consistently distorted?

Pat

[cobrakalis]

I feel Superformance, ERA, Kirkams/Shelby's and Unique are probably the best replicas out there. Most of the replica companies make nice Cobra's. Hey if it goes fast, drives straight, and feels comfortable to drive, its probably a pretty good car. The above companies I mentioned are just my favorites of what I"ve seen in quality. Its difficult to keep up anymore, because there are so many new and old companies out there today. Unfortunatley Cobras are no longer a rare car on the road anymore. I've yet to see a GT-40 on the road .


Gary

[casaleenie]

[quote]Originally posted by PatBuckley


[b]Hey Evan -


Think about it....anyone who takes themselves and their car as seriously as you do is just inviting a comprehensive kidding.




Evan,

It is twwooo..... but most of it is in fun.... I absolutely enjoy your postings... There are about ten or twelve people on this forum that are on my "must read" list, and you are on that list..
Being on that list and $2.15 will get you a cup of coffee at any Starbucks in the country....

[casaleenie]

Hey Gary,

Hope to see you over the Holidays... Maybe we can con Steve B. into putting a chicken wing dinner together for the NOCC at the local Lizard or Quaker Steak...

regards

[Johan]

I feel pretty bad about this. Evan I 'm sorry. I enjoy your posts and you add a dimension to the forum that no one else I'm aware of is capable of delivering. Besides, I was talking to Turk.
I have not felt this bad in a long time.
When I was growing up, there was a retarded kid that had a sandbox behind my house. He used to crap in it all the time, and I wondered " why does that kid always crap in his own sandbox ?"
I got fed up with it and beat him up one afternoon. I guess I hurt him pretty bad.
"why you hit me Johan ?"
" Crap in sandbox not OK?"
Well, I've grown up a lot since then. This forum for replica Cobra owners is your sandbox and who am I to say what you do with it. It is where you belong, and I was just cautioning you not to try and play in the other sandboxes cause those kids can get pretty mean. They won't love you like we do. You are certainly part of our family, and if you want to crap in your sandbox, it's OK with me.
That's right, the kid in the sandbox was my brother.

[REAL 1]

Johan: See my response above.

Again, sorry to hear about your brother.

[grumpy]

hhhmmmmm,
No one everpoints out the SAAC's way of looking at them along with the show judges;


1. Original unrestored: enuff said

2. Original restored:enuff said

3. Modified unrestored: enuff said

4. Original rebodied:

5. Replica: Original frame, body
shape and all relatedequipment
and trim, includes only four
known manufacturers.

6. Air Car: Hidden in the files of
the owners and SAAC

7. Kit Car: Majority of the
manufacturers of COBRA cars
on the market

8. Hotrod: Looks like a COBRA in
shape only, usual rectangular
kit car frame with any brand
engine, suspension and
driveline going.

But it allways comes down to personal issues and back biting "mines bigger n better than yours", oh yea.

grumpy

I see, if the keepers of the gate, THE CHOSEN self appointed few, modify the original rules to include the new Shelby Replicas as ORIGINALS, then it's perfectly legal/legitimate to call them originals. Sounds like a bunch o snooty Congressmen or Senators, with Shelby as the PRESIDENT. When a group of any kind rewrite the rules for THEMSELVES to the lifting up and becoming better than the rest in any way then it becomes no more than POLITICS and fact out the door for fiction, creating dissention among the original supporters. That even sounded political, hmmmmmm.

[REAL 1]

I believe the above descriptions predate the CSX Continuation series and I don't believe you listed the categories accurately.

SAAC clearly recognizes the new CSX Continuation as a genuine Cobra. It segregates them and the originals from all the others at SAAC events.

So yes I have pointed out the way SAAC looks at it. But it doesn't matter around here and never will but that OK its just friendly discussion.

[Nuke427]

Originally posted by REAL 1


at least in the forseeable future or ever it clearly they clearly are REAL Cobras and in this crowd will constantly be torn down by those who have their own axe to grind whether to perserve the exclusivtivity of their "original" or to feel better about what they have cause its not a Cobra.

I see this as what happens when you jump in with your mine's real and yours isn't jumbo. You are actually tearing others down who don't own the Shelby name. And I think it's so you can feel better about spending way too much money. You just profiled yourself in the above statement. But to make it crystal clear you should have written.

"They clearly are UNreal Cobras and in this crowd will constantly be torn down by me b/c I have an axe to grind to preserve the exclusitivity of my "REAL" Cobra and to feel better about what I have."