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06-14-2007, 06:28 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX 4995, Keith Craft built 427 SO
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Originally Posted by A-Snake
I would say that in 1972 427 Cobras had not reached that price level.
A Factory comp 427 was advertised in '72 as "original, concours, hardtop, new blueprinted engine, with trailer for $10,000." Not sold for more than a year.
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Now I really wanna cry! 
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06-14-2007, 07:40 AM
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This is an interesting thread.
Guy in West Texas unveils his extremely rare, mostly original factory 427 S/C Shelby to the world. Most respondents are bowled over, drop-the-jaw infactuated with the car in its present state (me included). And then are a few (there always are a few) that try to nit pick it apart. It makes me  .
Let's all just put jealousy aside and appreciate the fact that this kid has a Dad that had the smarts and foresight to purchase and hang onto this beast for so long. The fact that he is willing to share it with us is a treat and a privilege. Now let's all pray that B-J doesn't call this guy and try to exploit this "barn find."
-Dean
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06-14-2007, 10:13 AM
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CSX305O
thank you for allowing this forum to see the car, it's very difficult for some members to see things the way they were unmodified or modified. it's also nice to see the enthusiam that you have for the car given your gender. i know a few woman out there that would think lesser of such a beast !!
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06-14-2007, 11:46 AM
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sorry, i figured you were the one in the drivers seat in the photos??
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06-14-2007, 01:30 PM
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misunderstanding
news: lol, i actually got to sit down and talk to my dad today, oil business is busy nowadays! anyway, the front small scoop under the large mouth for the radiator; the small scoop was dented in about half an inch at bob norwoods shop, he took it too his body shop guys and had the scoop fixed and wet sanded the whole car a little and applied one coat of paint ordered from shelby american, inc to get the actual original color. the original paint is under 1 coat of the new paint. sorry for the misunderstanding guys. as for the engine it had a pretty much complete rotating assembly put in it. we still have the original crank, rods, pistons, rings, and bearings.
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06-14-2007, 02:06 PM
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on another note, where the registry says it was on a cross country run; my dad was supposed to take carrol shelby for a ride in a parade in alpine, texas. it ended up raining so shelby rode in a model a or model t instead since the top was off or the cobra. people think that he was just there for a cross counrty run. and another time my dad got in the middle of a bunch of vettes around 1973 or 74 and blew passed em so mabye they reported that. but the car has never been on a rally. it dont have enough miles on it to have been in one! this is my dads words here "if anyone would like to talk about my car or yours or if you need any help or advice, shoot my son a message on this site and he will send you my email and phone number, thanks." he also says he agrees the he fully intends to find the right spark plug wires, hoses and clamps and any other parts to make it closer to factory! and he is glad to see that there are people out there that are as meticulous as he is about originality, people do stupid things when they are young he says, and "i was one of em!" my dad was also part of the boss 429 shotgun mustang when he was in high school, and ordered the first one. he has owned a 1972 detomaso pantera, 1970 hemi cuda, 1969 mustang mach 1 427 medium riser from the factory. my dads high school girlfriend and still very good friend, karen wynne's grandfather managed carrol shelby's ranch in terlinga, tx, and gave her a dollor bill at the dinner table while at the ranch during one of several visits.
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06-14-2007, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by csx3050
on another note, where the registry says it was on a cross country run; my dad was supposed to take carrol shelby for a ride in a parade in alpine, texas. it ended up raining so shelby rode in a model a or model t instead since the top was off or the cobra. people think that he was just there for a cross counrty run. and another time my dad got in the middle of a bunch of vettes around 1973 or 74 and blew passed em so mabye they reported that. but the car has never been on a rally. it dont have enough miles on it to have been in one! this is my dads words here "if anyone would like to talk about my car or yours or if you need any help or advice, shoot my son a message on this site and he will send you my email and phone number, thanks." he also says he agrees the he fully intends to find the right spark plug wires, hoses and clamps and any other parts to make it closer to factory! and he is glad to see that there are people out there that are as meticulous as he is about originality, people do stupid things when they are young he says, and "i was one of em!" my dad was also part of the boss 429 shotgun mustang when he was in high school, and ordered the first one. he has owned a 1972 detomaso pantera, 1970 hemi cuda, 1969 mustang mach 1 427 medium riser from the factory. my dads high school girlfriend and still very good friend, karen wynne's grandfather managed carrol shelby's ranch in terlinga, tx, and gave her a dollor bill at the dinner table while at the ranch during one of several visits.
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I'd be more than happy to help your dad with missing parts and such, as I am sure others here into originality would.
One more question.... what does the title list your car as? 65 or 66? The car should be a 66, not a 65.
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06-14-2007, 02:46 PM
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Stunning car and I love the colour. Thanks for posting the pictures.
However, if I understand the thread correctly, it never goes anywhere other than being pushed out the garage and back in again once in a while, which I think is a real, real shame
Paul
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06-14-2007, 02:11 PM
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I won't even comment on the car, nothing needs to be said- it's just incredible. What I absolutely love is the fact that it's not in some multi million dollar temperature controlled B-J more money than common sense environment. It's in some junk filled single car garage like the vast majority of us have our $40K replicas slid into. The boxes on the old kitchen counter top, some old tires stacked in the corner, and this incredible car sitting there just waiting for Mr. Every Day Joe to come out and strap it on and go blast down some back road somewhere. The rug is beat up through wear and use, and that's perfect! That's what this car's all about. It's not some waxed up, Wilton Wool and Connelly leathered showpiece. It's the nastiest damned car ever built, owned by a guy who seems to understand that it was made to be driven hard and thoroughly enjoyed for exactly what it is. This whole set of pictures is like a step back in time, to a place we all probably wish we were. My hats off to the owner for owning, keeping and most importantly driving this incredible machine as it was meant to be. I wish I was more articulate so I could accurately describe what I mean, but this is the best I can do. I'm just thrilled by these pictures, this car, and this owner. This is the perfect antidote to the whole B-J nonsense. There is hope in the world of auto enthusiasts. You want to invest - go buy stocks. These cars were built to be driven and enjoyed. Congrats to the owners - you're my heroes of the day.
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06-14-2007, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 767Jockey
I won't even comment on the car, nothing needs to be said- it's just incredible. What I absolutely love is the fact that it's not in some multi million dollar temperature controlled B-J more money than common sense environment. It's in some junk filled single car garage like the vast majority of us have our $40K replicas slid into. The boxes on the old kitchen counter top, some old tires stacked in the corner, and this incredible car sitting there just waiting for Mr. Every Day Joe to come out and strap it on and go blast down some back road somewhere. The rug is beat up through wear and use, and that's perfect! That's what this car's all about. It's not some waxed up, Wilton Wool and Connelly leathered showpiece. It's the nastiest damned car ever built, owned by a guy who seems to understand that it was made to be driven hard and thoroughly enjoyed for exactly what it is. This whole set of pictures is like a step back in time, to a place we all probably wish we were. My hats off to the owner for owning, keeping and most importantly driving this incredible machine as it was meant to be. I wish I was more articulate so I could accurately describe what I mean, but this is the best I can do. I'm just thrilled by these pictures, this car, and this owner. This is the perfect antidote to the whole B-J nonsense. There is hope in the world of auto enthusiasts. You want to invest - go buy stocks. These cars were built to be driven and enjoyed. Congrats to the owners - you're my heroes of the day.
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So very well said! You clearly captured my exact thoughts as well...a working man's hot rod in a working man's garage. These pics have restored my faith that these scenes still exist in what has quickly become a very warped world.
-Dean
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06-15-2007, 01:29 AM
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I can easily understand those that don't drive either the originals and in MANY cases the replicas. While we certainly admire those that DO drive, and drive them hard, I have also come to understand the beauty of simply 'having it around'! Like a piece of art or a sculpture is enjoyed simply for what it is. I don't drive my ERA nearly as much as I used to, but I still enjoy having the car around for the occasional weekend blast, or just to go out and tinker on it. It's a terrific conversation piece, and at times, that alone is enough for me.
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06-15-2007, 02:01 AM
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I can understand not driving them every day, every week or even every month, but for 30+ years ?
A painting or sculpture is slightly different in that they are only ever meant to be looked at, whereas a car's beauty and form is derived from its function. I have a couple of Vincent motorcycles and I often go into the garage just to look at them (my wife thinks it's a bit sad  ) , but the real pleasure comes from riding them and working on them. I believe it is that combination that creates the relationship.
Paul
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06-15-2007, 06:57 AM
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That's what makes replicas worth having. They can be driven but I enjoy looking at an original and I'm always happy to see one that's kept pristine.
Larry
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06-15-2007, 07:11 AM
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Everybody gets through life differently, and what the OWNER does is up to the OWNER. I personally would drive the BEAST, but it's not mine. The car will live it's life as the OWNER sees fit. Thanks for sharing all that you have shared.
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06-15-2007, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by imagine2frolic
Everybody gets through life differently, and what the OWNER does is up to the OWNER. I personally would drive the BEAST, but it's not mine. The car will live it's life as the OWNER sees fit. Thanks for sharing all that you have shared.
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That's it right there. Some would keep it tucked away, and some would drive it. Personally, I would drive the crap out of it. If it got chiped and dented, well that's just part of owning an aluminum body car. But I also have respect for those who DON'T drive it. You just have to see both sides of the fence.
Think about this... if the car HADN'T been tucked away since 1976, I doubt we'd all be salivating over what the car looks like today. It would probably be like most other S/Cs.... damaged, repaired, repainted, modified, etc....
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CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold
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06-15-2007, 08:27 AM
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If I owned 3050, it would get driven around the block every now and then to keep things in good working order and that's about it......
It is far to valuable in my opinion to put on the street for some knuckle head to run into...........a number of original owners do have replicas that they drive and enjoy and leave their originals to the safe keeping of the garage...........
Maybe a track day every now and then, after all, it would be safer on the track than on the street.........
I'm just glad it is in it's present state and not modified as a lot of originals have been over the years........had it not been kept "in the barn" all these years, we would not be able to see how they came from SAI back in the day.........
David
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06-15-2007, 08:38 AM
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I know me. There is no way I could maintain the willpower necessary to Not drive that car. LOL And, like David said, it has to better for the car to use it than just have it sit. Yes, thats it...........a perfectly good reason to get in it and Let 'er rip 
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06-15-2007, 04:40 PM
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Hey guys, This is Jack, Johns dad. Thanks for the compliments on my old car. I am more of a purist myself so please be aware I will indeed replace the indoor outdoor carpet and the wires before I recieve to much flack. I had to rush the carpet job because I was suppost to ride with Carroll Shelby in a parade carroll ended up riding in a model t because of weather issues.
Jack W. McIntyre
CSX3050 owner for 35 years now!
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06-15-2007, 04:51 PM
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06-15-2007, 05:31 PM
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Great car. Thanks for sharing the pics.
Jack-
I assume you first bought simply because you liked it. At what point i those 35 years of ownership did you realize that you had an incredibly rare and valuable car?
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