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06-18-2007, 09:13 PM
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Palm Coast,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby American CSX 4241 - authentically built
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LOL !!! 
Well, now you've done it Sal !
I'm dreaming of a Kirkham..........AGAIN !
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I can tell you right now... there is NO experiance like it. The car is a beautiful work of art, wrapped around constantly improved design. The company is top notch. The Kirkhams will bend over backwards for you. You will feel like you are part of a big family.
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CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold
See my car at CSXinfo.net here >> CSX 4241
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06-18-2007, 11:03 PM
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Can't find a picture I want, YET! Side by side views does not tell the whole story. On the Hi Tech (I mentioned above) the lowest part of the rear fender flair sticks out quite noticably from others I've seen. WAY out compared to the ERA, but you can only see it from a rear view perspective. Looks almost 'cartoonish'.
I modified one of my own pics...
Last edited by Excaliber; 06-18-2007 at 11:14 PM..
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06-19-2007, 01:36 AM
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Premier Motorsports 427SC
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Cobra Make, Engine: Premier Motorsports
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I know that I have read in Kit Car mag (July 2005) that Premier Motorsports had purchased Hi-tech I had also spoken with the owner Chuck Nickloy about this too.As far as the fender flares I think that Premier has modified the molds on the flares since the bought them and they donot stick out as far I will look to see if I have any pics of them.
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06-19-2007, 01:51 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: 2009 Solbra
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I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
(No doubt, most will blame it on the donuts.)
You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me
Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
The gene pool could use a little chlorine.
The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.
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06-19-2007, 04:02 AM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Mar 2002
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Cobra Make, Engine: Original ERA 427sc, Powered by Gessford
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My ERA
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06-19-2007, 04:30 AM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Ft. Myers,
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 742 / 428 FE
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On original cars, there were basically three rear flare configurations, wide hip, narrow hip, and comp. Early wide hip cars had no lip and also had Sunburst wheels (8.5) which made the wheels and tires of early street cars look "lost" in all that rear fender. (The best look in my opinion and no one makes it other than Kirkham) Peter's BRG street car at ERA has been modified to get that "look". The lost in the fender look was modified with narrow hip versions where the rear flare was less round. What almost all replica manufacturers miss is the "squat" of the 427 where the yop of the rear tire cannot be seen in the fender well. ERA's adjustable suspension allows you to adjust the cars ride height to get this effect and make the car look right. Most manufacturers have a narrow hip version with a lip. Makes it more difficult to tuck large tires up under the fender where they belong without contacted the fender.
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06-19-2007, 05:10 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
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Originally Posted by RedEsprit
On original cars, there were basically three rear flare configurations, wide hip, narrow hip, and comp.
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Actually..there were three configurations of the rear shape:
The Comp cars and most of the street cars were what is known now as 'wide-hip'... broad rear wings with no flare.
The S/Cs had a 1-inch flare pounded into them before paint for street use, but they were Comp cars with wide hip to begin with
And finally, the 'narrow-hip' was a design change that lasted only for a few dozen street cars in the first production run. After they changed over to street production, they tried to minimize the size of the rear fenders, since the street-sized tires left a lot of "air" in the wheel arch opening. A few dozen were built that way...but it didn't look as good as the old way, so they switched back. The 'narrow-hip' had no flare either. |
06-20-2007, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by computerworks
Actually..there were three configurations of the rear shape:
The Comp cars and most of the street cars were what is known now as 'wide-hip'... broad rear wings with no flare.
The S/Cs had a 1-inch flare pounded into them before paint for street use, but they were Comp cars with wide hip to begin with
And finally, the 'narrow-hip' was a design change that lasted only for a few dozen street cars in the first production run. After they changed over to street production, they tried to minimize the size of the rear fenders, since the street-sized tires left a lot of "air" in the wheel arch opening. A few dozen were built that way...but it didn't look as good as the old way, so they switched back. The 'narrow-hip' had no flare either.
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Actually there was a fourth shape, my car was a "wide hip" car and I ordered it with flared fenders, Shelby moved the outer surface outboard but did not add the SC right angle at the wheel opening. I don't know how many cars were done like this but I have had racing tires with a 13.5 " cross-section on with only slight contact with the square tube at the front of the inner fender.
I used to run the Goodyear transAm slicks that were used on Mustangs in the late 60's and early 70's. The rims were the stock factory 9.5" Hallibrands. I believe the tires were about 26.5 tall with a 12" tread and a 13.5 section width, they would probably rub on an original SC.. I would also caution against setting ride heights to get the right look, chassis rake angle has a major effect on roll couple distribution and can really cause major handling issues if it is wrong.
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06-20-2007, 05:04 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: AK1085 (302 Street), HTM111 (427 Comp), CSX2375R (289 Comp) and COB5999 (427 S/C)
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Could you add some photos to your gallery? I am sure it would be appreciated by more than myself. Thanks......
CCX rear end: I am running 26.5 x 10.5 Goodyears on the back and it does not rub at all.
All I did was adjust the ride height down a smidge! Looks very original when standing next to CCX with the standard ride setting.
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06-20-2007, 06:15 PM
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how much did you lower your car it looks great.  |
06-20-2007, 11:54 PM
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Could you add some photos to your gallery? I am sure it would be appreciated by more than myself. Thanks......
CCX rear end: I am running 26.5 x 10.5 Goodyears on the back and it does not rub at all.
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OK, pictures are posted, thanks for asking. 26.5 is a good diameter I have to run 25" diameter to get the width and compound I want but would prefer 26.5
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06-19-2007, 05:12 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: 2009 Solbra
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Kirkham
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I carry a gun because a cop is too heavy.
(No doubt, most will blame it on the donuts.)
You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me
Earth is the insane asylum for the universe.
The gene pool could use a little chlorine.
The original point and click interface was a Smith & Wesson.
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06-19-2007, 06:31 AM
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Location: Fairfield, NJ, USA,
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Cobra Make, Engine: A & C, 351W, Tremec 3550. Exiled Member: Club Cranky
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A & C
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"Crisis occurs when women and cattle get excited!"....James Thurber
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06-19-2007, 07:29 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: 427 Cobra re-creation based on Kirkham aluminum body and chassis, Original 1965 Ford 427 Side Oiler and Ford Toploader transmission
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Pictures of my Kirkham
During the painting process
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06-19-2007, 07:37 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Original ERA 427sc, Powered by Gessford
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A&C has a nice looking arse too.
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06-19-2007, 07:43 AM
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And believe it or not that is gelcoat. Eight years on the road and never been painted yet. Just the way it came from A&C.
Roscoe
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06-19-2007, 10:48 AM
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And believe it or not that is gelcoat. Eight years on the road and never been painted yet. Just the way it came from A&C.
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I know it's still gel coat (because you're too cheap to get it painted)  And it does look good.
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06-19-2007, 10:54 AM
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Here's some pics from down low...
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06-19-2007, 11:02 AM
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A&C Gelcoat
And with the gelcoat A&Cs, if you put them upside down in the water, they will float.
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06-19-2007, 09:11 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: NAF 289 FIA, 347 stroker with Weber 48's, building a '48 Anglia gasser, driving a '55 Chevy resto-rod
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In defense of NAF if that NAF's, pictured on the link posted, rearend was lowered and adjusted a bit the look would be totaly different and the rear wheel arch wouldn't look "too big".
A friend of mine owns a early NAF 427 and it looks just great w/ the rearend lowered. The tire fills the wheel arch.
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