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07-31-2007, 04:55 PM
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Yes, just like the first one I had when I was 15 years old. 
To be honest, I think the car should staty with the tag and the re-body and if the new car is sold, the old car should go with it. Then the new owner will have the car. Why even go to the trouble to rebody the car then ? The thing to do would be to just duplicate the car for driving and keep the old car with the vin intact. That is done often for racing old valuable vintage cars. |
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Maybe I am missing something here....
I think the auction is quite clear, if you read everything he says. He says it's an original GT500, that has been rebodied. A rebody on a Mustang, is a whole new car. That means that the base body is NOT the original GT500 car. At some point, all the bolt on body parts and the drivetrain were transferred to this regular Mustang body. Now the drivetrain is gone, and all that's left is a Mustang body with some GT500 body parts on it. The car is not being sold with the VIN or the title, which is the RIGHT thing to do, because it's no longer that car anyway. It's a stock 68 Mustang with some Shelby parts bolted to it.
Being sold as it is, I don't see anything wrong with it. It's being sold as a parts body for Shelby parts. The seller is not giving the new owner the chance to make a new fake Shelby.
If anyone is bidding on this car thinking it's a real GT500, or with the intent to MAKE a "real" GT500, they are fools and at their own mercy of stupidity.
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CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold
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07-31-2007, 06:11 PM
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Wrong , the car in the add is the REAL Shelby, the rebodied car is the fake , with the switched VIN plate, etc. IT IS AGAINST F E D E R A L LAW TO SWITCH VIN PLATES FROM CAR TO CAR
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07-31-2007, 06:32 PM
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Wrong , the car in the add is the REAL Shelby, the rebodied car is the fake , with the switched VIN plate, etc. IT IS AGAINST F E D E R A L LAW TO SWITCH VIN PLATES FROM CAR TO CAR
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Ohhh, I see now. This is the original car, and at some point, someone decided to swap the drivetrain to another car, along with this car's VIN and title.
I still don't see the big deal, it's just a parts car anyway.
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CSX 4241, KMP 357 - sold and missed, CSX 4819 - cancelled, FFR 5132 - sold
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07-31-2007, 06:49 PM
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Ohhh, I see now. This is the original car, and at some point, someone decided to swap the drivetrain to another car, along with this car's VIN and title.
I still don't see the big deal, it's just a parts car anyway.
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The big deal is somewhere out there is a plain jane 68 Mustang convertiable with a VIN and title of another car attached to it.......Whether the VIN/title was from a Shelby or another plane jane mustang really makes NO difference in the eyes of the law........Switching VIN numbers and titles from one car to another is against the law in all 50 states.........There are a number of folks in Angola (Louisiana state penetentry) that have done the exact same thing, I happen to know a couple of them.......One did time in a federal prison, cause he was taking the cars to Nevada and selling them there, crossing state lines doing this makes it a federal offence...... he got 5 years.........
Who ever ends up with the "e-bay" car has an original Shelby, the VIN is marked in more than one place on cars.....Buying,selling or even possesing a car with a VIN that has been removed or even altered is also against the law.......I can put you in touch with a few folks that can attest to that fact also.........they too are in jail.......
Case in point; at the 35th MCA bash at Barber Motorsports Park,Unique Performance had a display of the continuation GT-350s , I was looking over one and noticed the original T- code VIN (6-cylinder Mustang), was told they could affix the Shelby VIN/numbers to these cars, but the car had to retain it's original VIN to be legally sold and registered and they were following the law to the letter..........
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07-31-2007, 06:57 PM
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Power Surge;
The big deal is somewhere out there is a plain jane 68 Mustang convertiable with a VIN and title of another car attached to it.......Whether the VIN/title was from a Shelby or another plane jane mustang really makes NO difference in the eyes of the law........Switching VIN numbers and titles from one car to another is against the law in all 50 states.........There are a number of folks in Angola (Louisiana state penetentry) that have done the exact same thing, I happen to know a couple of them.......One did time in a federal prison, cause he was taking the cars to Nevada and selling them there, crossing state lines doing this makes it a federal offence...... he got 5 years.........
Who ever ends up with the "e-bay" car has an original Shelby, the VIN is marked in more than one place on cars.....Buying,selling or even possesing a car with a VIN that has been removed or even altered is also against the law.......I can put you in touch with a few folks that can attest to that fact also.........they too are in jail.......
Case in point; at the 35th MCA bash at Barber Motorsports Park,Unique Performance had a display of the continuation GT-350s , I was looking over one and noticed the original T- code VIN (6-cylinder Mustang), was told they could affix the Shelby VIN/numbers to these cars, but the car had to retain it's original VIN to be legally sold and registered and they were following the law to the letter..........
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I suppose. I understand the legality issue, I just don't see it as a big deal. Then again, I've done the ole VIN swapperoo a few time in my teen years when I bought a newer car to replace the same car I had at the time, and didn't feel like re-registering it. Then again, that was a long time ago, and we're not exactly talking about "in demand" cars either  .
I can see the issue with a limited production car like this one. I do feel the seller is being as up front as he can be about selling it. There's no law against selling a car with no title. But that's only half the battle as the buyer could be up to no good with their intentions, which WOULD be breaking the law.
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07-31-2007, 07:04 PM
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Yes, the seller could/can sell that car with no title, but if he removes the original VIN from the car itself or alters it in any way on the car itself, he is then breaking the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have seen a few old mustangs in junkyards with a nice 3x5 peice of inner fender apron missing on them, guess where that metal ended up?????
Go down to your local junk yard and ask the owner what paperwork he has regarding each car on the lot????? If they do not have the title, they would have a form from the state (as in abandoned cars) giving them the right to own each and every car on the property......
David
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Originally Posted by DAVID GAGNARD
Power Surge;
The big deal is somewhere out there is a plain jane 68 Mustang convertiable with a VIN and title of another car attached to it.......Whether the VIN/title was from a Shelby or another plane jane mustang really makes NO difference in the eyes of the law........Switching VIN numbers and titles from one car to another is against the law in all 50 states.........There are a number of folks in Angola (Louisiana state penetentry) that have done the exact same thing, I happen to know a couple of them.......One did time in a federal prison, cause he was taking the cars to Nevada and selling them there, crossing state lines doing this makes it a federal offence...... he got 5 years.........
Who ever ends up with the "e-bay" car has an original Shelby, the VIN is marked in more than one place on cars.....Buying,selling or even possesing a car with a VIN that has been removed or even altered is also against the law.......I can put you in touch with a few folks that can attest to that fact also.........they too are in jail.......
Case in point; at the 35th MCA bash at Barber Motorsports Park,Unique Performance had a display of the continuation GT-350s , I was looking over one and noticed the original T- code VIN (6-cylinder Mustang), was told they could affix the Shelby VIN/numbers to these cars, but the car had to retain it's original VIN to be legally sold and registered and they were following the law to the letter..........
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David,
how do you know all these criminal fellas/ either you're a lawyer a cop or....either way i'm your new best friend! how you doing buddy? anything I can do for ya! I'm on your side ok... 
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08-01-2007, 10:46 AM
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how do you know all these criminal fellas/ either you're a lawyer a cop or....either way i'm your new best friend! how you doing buddy? anything I can do for ya! I'm on your side ok...
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I'm neither a lawyer or cop, but did play a role the apprehension and prosecution of these guys...the guy that did time in the federal prison was a guy I have known all my life, not what you would call a good friend, but living in small town USA, every body knows everybody.....he had a small used car lot in town, but lived like a Rockerfeller!!!!!!!!! go figure!!!!!!
Around these parts, the Louisiana State Police doesn't take too kindly to VIN fraud type stuff, they have a division assigned strictly for this type of stuff........they regularly make suprise visits to salvage yards and ask to see paper work on cars as well as checking odometers/VINs on car lots, you'd be surprised at what they turn up.....
David
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